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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,15:42)

In fact Nick, please show me where any spiritual being in the OT was allowed to do as they pleased. 1Ki 22:20  “The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. 1Ki 22:21  “Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 1Ki 22:22  “The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.' 1Ki 22:23  “Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you.”

is god good or evil ,for he has no shadow of turning, this means he never changes ,are you telling me god is the deceiver ,or is GOOD yet sends evil? where is the love in this thing you claim GOD did? is this how jesus portrayed his father??

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,15:39)

Is it written that I should not marry my sister? Is it written that I should not snort cocaine? Nick, if we rely on only what is written then we won't have answers for all of our life situations. In any case, show me how the Satan of Job matches your view of Satan. Also, show me where God gave Satan permission to be the god of this world. It is quite obvious the Satan of Job was not allowed to touch Job without permission, so Satan must do all he does with the permission of God.

very true for those who are sinless saten cant touch,the siners are his children and he does as he pleases with them and of course blames all the bad on the true GOD!!! so we should all repent and give away our birthrite, and become children of GOD ,then the evil one will have to ask our father before touching us,and me would guess FATHER will say NO!!! does not jesus say you are the children of who you follow

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,14:52)

So night time is evil to you Nick? You are forcing your beliefs into the passage rather than taking it at face value. Up until that captivity, there really wasn't any idea of dualism in the Hebrew scriptures. Nor was there really the idea of an after-life. Both of these came from the influencing religions of their captors. And where is the demon possession in the Hebrew scriptures? Not a single instance of this. Yet we find it all throughout Matthew-Luke (and Acts). For that matter, were are the demons in John's Gospel?

if you read they all recieved by oil demons or you could say crafty spirits ,to help them make all the vane images for the tabernacle of molec, or as it realy says (GODS ARK)? which was it?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2007,17:03)

Hi, Jesus is the truth John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Truth was in him

me think god was speaking of himself thru jesus,stateing his own attributes ,the truth ,the way ,the life his name (I AM) then to tell us the only way is by (me). would this not imply the only way is to use me “for self” rather than his name? did he not say by me.all the I am statements where GOD speaking threw jesus, for he said he had glorified his name and would glorify it again, yet we think jesus was speaking of himself ,lifting himself up,truly sad if jesus had to say abunch of good things all about himself he sounds very self centerd like most of the rest of the world so are we realy saying jesus was speaking of himself,this means he wasend sin free so caught up in self,he truly only spoke of the father! wake up. open your eyes,not that your blind,the father he is the truth, yet jesus will leed you to him.

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Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ June 03 2006,14:00)

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great (prince)    According to my info the word LEADER is translated PRINCE.

god appoints the leaders, so a prince could be anyone willing to stand up for god,stand up! god gives the titles,yet to be a great prince is nothing,unless your great in gods eyes!

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the great prince michael in daniel 12:1 ,is not jesus, or michael the arch angel !you all speak of ,but who is he ,and when will he come,hmmm maybee in a time of trouble as there has never been,sooon aftrer this time of trouble jesus will come to make some trouble of his own, for the ungodly and those who hate god.

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B) heirs

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god the father and the angel

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Quote (seek and you will find @ Jan. 11 2008,23:08)

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

this fear you speak of ,this truly is not fear in the sence people see it today, truly it is just an awe/reverance for him because he is so awesome.

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Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 11 2008,18:56)

Jeremiah 29:11 11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you… A) Everything B) hope and a future C) a foreign land

b ,hope and future

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thanks for the help

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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 11 2008,01:24)

Quote (Mandy @ Jan. 09 2008,16:07) “Truth” is different for everyone, as this site has proved over and over again/page by page.     Mandy, that's just not true (excuse the pun). “Truth” is objective, not subjective.  It is exclusive by it's very nature. The law of noncontradiction (also called the law of contradiction) states, in the words of Aristotle, that “one cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time”. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_noncontradiction The Bible is either the word of God, or it isn't. Both cannot be true at the same time. Yeshua is either the Messiah, or He isn't. Both statements cannot be true. Yeshua is either the Son of God, or He isn't. Both cannot be true…. On these issues some members here are right, and some are not.

will you also put god in a box with this thery,?

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anyone anyone hello is moses god

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Quote (acertainchap @ Jan. 10 2008,08:35)

Son of Light, please feel free to join in on our trivia. When were Israelites required to free their servants? A. In the seventh year of service B. In the twelfth year of service C. When the servant produced offspring D. Never

a , for hebrews d ,for non hebrew slaves.

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look around isent it obvious god or as you say this dust created all these things,everything! this system could not just come into being of its self,there was a master designer,god,the GREAT “I AM”!!

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can we see the invisible god ,lest he shows himself to us,yet if he did,we would be blinded from the brightness of his comeing,yet me still believe we can see god in the spirit, yet no flesh has seen god,read ex 24 :9-11.who did they see ,clearly not god ,an angle? he was a murderer from the begining!

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 10 2008,02:55)

Quote (michaels @ Jan. 09 2008,16:15) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,16:42) The essence of what I am saying is that: Jesus and his followers did not believe God the Most High did any of those bad things in the OT. These actions were credited to fallen angels. 2000 years later Christians are twisting their morality into a pretzel trying to justify the actions of whom they think their God is.   I have made my mind up on what is wrong and what is right morally speaking.  I am open to discussion of any scriptural topic with honesty and sincerity.   But yes my moral compass will not be swayed. I could very well be convinced of something I am misunderstanding historically and scripturally, however. Think about this: If I am wrong and the Most High does do things that are evil: I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isa. 45:5-7).   Then I will have to apologize for not accepting that God is above his own Law and will have to bow my knee to him and acknowledge he IS the God of love while he punishes me with his wrath. If I am right then you guys have a lot of explaining to do as well.  Believing that the Most High commits acts of evil and orders the rape of women…etc.. How hurt will God be when he holds out his arms and says: My child, I am the God of Love. The Father of Light and in me in no shadow of turning. I do not want to kill I want to give life and give it abundantly. hey sol ,your not far from the truth for he is the truth and the light. he has no shadow of turning.unchanging love.he is the great (I AM).jesus sums up ex 20 with just the two love commandments.to show clearly that GOD never changes.this is the whole law.and you are correct god cannot break his own law.he could not say dont kill ,than say go kill. that would make him a liar ,and who wants to hang out with a liar anyways,you know he would have to cast himself into the lake of fire, what a joke truly sad how long the whole world has been decieved,this liar /murderer.is not my god , my god is the light,life, love ,truth,way,everything good,yet there is a judgement we either need to choose the light, or go on in the darkness into the fire, may the TRUTH lead you into all TRUTH. michaels You are talking in circles. First you say… Quote god cannot break his own law.he could not say dont kill ,than say go kill. Then you say… Quote yet there is a judgement we either need to choose the light, or go on in the darkness into the fire, I assume that the God that said dont kill is the one who will judge those who do not accept the light by casting them in fire. Is that right?

does fire kill or just pureify and clean ? are you saying its wrong for god to make his children pure ? is not the spirit eternal? can you truly say this punishment is not out of love ,for our own good that we may dwell in his presence forever.who is the judge that will send the spirts where he may,is it not jesus,or is it the most high, (love)?

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when god came to us he couldent show his full glory so he was masked by clouds yet we could see him he filled the whole sky ,and in his womb was jesus and jesus grew to fill the whole sky huge above us jesus was not masked by the clouds we could see him clearly and spikes of light like a crown shooting out in every direction on his head,we couldent see the father any more yet we knew he was there right behind jesus above him and even bigger,then we heard the most beautiful sound of praise to him we had ever heard,it was the earth praising him,the melody was so wonderful,wish me remembered how it went,any how we thought of the scropture if you dont praise me even the rocks would cry out,so we fell on our knees and started praising him,then all these squigly lights started like floating down like shooting down and hitting the earth every where ,and as soon as they hit the earth every thing turned green,this was a brown desert. god renewed the earth then all these animals started comeing to the land,any how when we left me cut off branches to show my family we went to my sisters,and told her about the judgement of the dead and other thing,got her to come outside to see it all,because we could still see GOD on the mountain and all the angles,they were draging some people to judgement ,and the one that went to the right got drug into a pit in the hills the ones on the left went up in the sky till they disapeared,any how me and my wife and kids were trying to show my sister all thet was happing and she coudent see it ,so me think you need to be in the spirt,yet me do believe no flesh has seen god.

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Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 10 2008,01:29)

Quote (michaels @ Jan. 09 2008,17:27) how many stand behind you in your firm beliefs ,just you and god ,or many .do you have a place of worship or do you just go out and worship him at a pile of unhewn stones where he put his name.you seem to be almost as out there as me, ha ha you know thats allright we are not to be part of this world anyways,come out of her my children ,as FATHER would say,for he is the truth. Just my wife and I.  I have a family that is very orthodox.  A few of them will listen to me though and agree with many things I say.

just my wife and 4 chidren also,tried to share with family,dident fly so well,yet it is writen ,but gods word will not go out void

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for me it realy comes down to what did jesus say, and then what did jesus realy say or not say.hmmm sad that there are so many lies in most of the books.

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