William Tyndale, “Angliae Apostolus”, humanist, translator, and Protestant martyr, was born about 1494 in Gloucestershire. He was educated at Oxford and Cambridge. About 1522 he planned to translate the Bible. After church authorities in England prevented him from his project he went to Germany in 1524. He landed at Hamburg and soon left for…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 18 2010,05:43)Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,12:05)I posted these same translations on another thread and got a searing remark that I do not know Greek …. blah Blah Blah ….. Any so called student of manuscripts and translations knows that you give much more credence to copies closer to the original in time. Some…[Read more]

I posted these same translations on another thread and got a searing remark that I do not know Greek …. blah Blah Blah ….. Any so called student of manuscripts and translations knows that you give much more credence to copies closer to the original in time. Some of these translators use Erasmus' translations and others used the latin…[Read more]

Gene,There is a possibility I may have to go into the hospital again for a few weeks. I may not be on here for a while. You nad barley might be on your own for a while. I will see if my lap top is working or I can get a signal in the hospital room. Don't know for sure.

Irene,You ask for scriptures that say Jesus is just like us?Hebrews 2:17
Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.There is no added words or concepts needed. It does not say all things except…[Read more]

What's the matter? All you preexisters ought to jump on this to show your solidarity.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 17 2010,02:35)TO ALL:Mike and Kathi have been shoving the church fathers down our throats a lot lately. I am convinced that they do this because they lack solid scriptural support for their beliefs. So they must show that they have company in their beliefs. But Mike and Kathi often give fragmented quotes from the…[Read more]

I was hoping to hear from some others on this post.

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 17 2010,02:17)Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,01:00)All the goble dee Goop posted and to my knowledge no preexister has yet to answer the original questions about fruit. How does the teaching of the pre-existence help me on my journey to become more like Christ?Are you telling that pre-existence is God's word and yet  it is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,15:32)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,08:09)Secondly – I find your appeal to scriptural proof a little funny since you do not show any process by which you form your conclusions. As I have said time and time again I will not yield to your opinion of a translation written in English of a document 2.000 years old in…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 16 2010,23:09)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,01:06)How much controversy would I engender if I claimed, “Before Abraham was, I am”  and said that meant I preexisted Abraham, because Jesus Christ thought he preexisted Abraham?If I said to you that you are only xx years old and how can you have seen Abraham, and you replied before…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 17 2010,02:17)Quote (martian @ Aug. 17 2010,01:00)All the goble dee Goop posted and to my knowledge no preexister has yet to answer the original questions about fruit. How does the teaching of the pre-existence help me on my journey to become more like Christ?Are you telling that pre-existence is God's word and yet  it is…[Read more]

All the goble dee Goop posted and to my knowledge no preexister has yet to answer the original questions about fruit. How does the teaching of the pre-existence help me on my journey to become more like Christ?Are you telling that pre-existence is God's word and yet it is coming back void?

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,09:25)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,09:15)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,08:23)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,08:11)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,08:06)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,07:57)Righteous anger is a term I use to explain the same anger that was expressed by Christ with the money changers or when he called the pharasees…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,15:32)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,08:09)Secondly – I find your appeal to scriptural proof a little funny since you do not show any process by which you form your conclusions. As I have said time and time again I will not yield to your opinion of a translation written in English of a document 2.000 years old in…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,08:23)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,08:11)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,08:06)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,07:57)Righteous anger is a term I use to explain the same anger that was expressed by Christ with the money changers or when he called the pharasees a brood of vipers. It is not a sin to be angry when I see someone…[Read more]

I am pulling this thread forward because it is a point of contention between me and others on this forum. I am bombarded with opinions from some like Mike and yet he will not divuldge how his process for interpretation works. How can I trust anyone that hides the method of how they interpret scripture.

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,08:06)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,07:57)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,07:39)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,05:59)Do I have a righteous anger about that at times? You bet! I get angry to see my beloved’s mission so carelessly compared. Do I sometimes get in the flesh with that anger? Yes I guess I do. As Gene put it I am n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,07:23)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,06:21)It is as simple as this —A completely human Christ produces hope that I can be perfected in like manner as Christ.An augmented Christ (via deity or knowledge from pre-existence) produces doubt as to how much or even if it is possible to become like Christ.Hi Martian,And…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2010,07:39)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,05:59)Do I have a righteous anger about that at times? You bet! I get angry to see my beloved’s mission so carelessly compared. Do I sometimes get in the flesh with that anger? Yes I guess I do. As Gene put it I am not perfect yet. However with another human’s example to follow I kno…[Read more]