I find it interesting that Mike uses the term “imply” in his opening for this and other threads. In many references the word means the following –implied – Suggested without being stated directly
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/impliedThis is true because there is no specific clear scripture that says simply that Christ pre-existed. It is all derived by i…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 29 2010,02:12)Hi Gene,Gender in itself is not important, but the truth is.If Elohim says that He created man in His image, male and female, it must be important, no?  God Himself SPOKE what He was going to do and then He did it.In Genesis 1 there are 7 “God said,” statements.  Why is the one statement in v 26-27 where God i…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2010,18:30)To All …………..All this yakking and no one addressing the subject of this thread. Why must Christ pre-exist? Let here son (GOOD REASONS) WHY JESUS HAD TO PREEXIST. Surely all you who believe he did preexist can come up with something. Put your heads together and come up with some reason he (MUST)…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2010,04:16)Quote (martian @ Aug. 28 2010,10:25)The entire concept of “spirit” denoting a type of being is not possible within the Hebrew culture of the Old or New Testament. These people were concrete thinkers and named objects according to their function and not their appearance. God is a “spirit” which translated…[Read more]

For more info on the Hebrew culture and language I would suggest this web page.http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/12_home.html

The entire concept of “spirit” denoting a type of being is not possible within the Hebrew culture of the Old or New Testament. These people were concrete thinkers and named objects according to their function and not their appearance. God is a “spirit” which translated means breath or wind. It is name given God because it shows how he functions as…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2010,14:53)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,19:11)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2010,10:28)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 26 2010,08:27)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,15:21)Martian, barley, Marty………….right on brothers, Preexistence is nothing but a false teaching deriving  its source from the trinitarians and created to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 27 2010,13:04)Hi SF:I will just make this statement.  John 1 states that the Logos was with God in the beginning.  The Logos embodies an idea or a plan, and God's plan was to make man in His own image.  Jesus, the last Adam, is the culmination of God's plan for this world and for humanity.  God created all things knowing tha…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,12:40)Hey Gene,I have answered the ALONE thing many times and in different ways for you to understand.  And I will do it again if you need me to…….AFTER you actually answer my last post.  Your turn to answer one, brother.Once again, the question:Why don't you……IN YOUR OWN WORDS, not the words of the guy M…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 26 2010,12:11)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 26 2010,10:28)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 26 2010,08:27)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,15:21)Martian, barley, Marty………….right on brothers, Preexistence is nothing but a false teaching deriving  its source from the trinitarians and created to backup their Jesus is a GOD dogmas.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2010,11:07)Your turn for a go Professor Fun.Have at them.  I have been beaten down by their ignorance to the point of no return……..well, at least to the point that I need a break.   Have fun,mikeGetting out before you are defeated more?

Quote (martian @ Aug. 25 2010,21:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2010,14:21)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2010,13:55)He said He did it (ALONE) and BY HIMSELF, now interestingly you are denying that, Perhaps you don not know what (ALONE and BY HIMSELF Means.Hi Gene,You are a part of creation, right?  Did God ALONE cause you to exist?Does that mean…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 23 2010,14:21)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2010,13:55)He said He did it (ALONE) and BY HIMSELF, now interestingly you are denying that, Perhaps you don not know what (ALONE and BY HIMSELF Means.Hi Gene,You are a part of creation, right?  Did God ALONE cause you to exist?Does that mean He couldn't have used your parents…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:09)Gene, Martian, barley, marty……..?  Are you out there?mikeMike,You have completely ignored anything having to do with Hebrew culture or understanding of the word create so there is no purpose repeating it again.The Hebrew root ‫ברא‬ (BaRA) is a child root formed out of the parent by adding the letter…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 24 2010,10:41)Quote (martian @ Aug. 24 2010,04:51)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 23 2010,12:14)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2010,15:29)Irene,You are perhaps answering the question posed by this thread when you state your belief that Jesus gave up much when he choose to become a human being.  What did he give up?He is presently King of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2010,11:03)DBF………..Then produce a single Scripture that say (ALL) are (BORN) Sinners. That will suffice i assure your. While scripture say all have sinned where does it say all are (BORN sinners. Forcing the text to meet preconceived dogmas is not wise. If you want to i will show you scripture where a Father…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 23 2010,12:14)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2010,15:29)Irene,You are perhaps answering the question posed by this thread when you state your belief that Jesus gave up much when he choose to become a human being.  What did he give up?He is presently King of everything on earth and in heaven and from what you seem to imply has always…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2010,06:29)Quote (martian @ Aug. 22 2010,05:02)OK – Dad send me the money I had with you from long ago.SAme thing.I had it reserved for me.Martian,Your scenario doesn't make any sense at all.  For one, you insist that Jesus couldn't have any knowledge that you don't have or he wouldn't be exactly like us.So how did…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2010,06:57)Quote (martian @ Aug. 22 2010,03:41)However, every single scripture that Mike has posted has been shown to be weak on preexistence. He will not admit it but he has lost every debate on the matter.Okay Mr. “dad, can I have the money I had in your presence even though I wasn't really there at the time”!…[Read more]

Quote ( @ –)[quote=martian,AWhat is an inheritance? Is it not a promise?Does Jesus have an inheritance? Are we joint heirs with him?