Quote (Baker @ Sep. 04 2010,07:51)Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,02:49)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,06:44)martianDoctrines don't change hearts, surgeons do; scripture is supposed to change your mind, your thinking and behavior.You must not go by any churches doctrine, you have to rely on the word of God, the Bible.Doctrines don't show you the path,…[Read more]

Where are all the pre-existers? No fruit to show?

God begins his bold experiment — He brings about a universe that will be the facility for his plan. He creates Adam. Adam fails to accomplish the goal of the experiment. Christ arrives and completes the experiment with complete success. Everything that God wanted to prove to the enemy and everything God wanted to produce with his experiment is…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2010,07:10)Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01)Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34)Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53)Are you sure you would trust me?So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach:Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01)Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34)Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53)Are you sure you would trust me?So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach:Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here.It seems that you have the answer.  As you p…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Sep. 01 2010,10:59)Quote (martian @ Sep. 01 2010,05:46)Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,07:11)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01)All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work?  What does it do for the…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,06:44)martianDoctrines don't change hearts, surgeons do; scripture is supposed to change your mind, your thinking and behavior.You must not go by any churches doctrine, you have to rely on the word of God, the Bible.Doctrines don't show you the path, the Bible does.God does not need protection, we do.Again, doctrines…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,06:44)martianDoctrines don't change hearts, surgeons do; scripture is supposed to change your mind, your thinking and behavior.You must not go by any churches doctrine, you have to rely on the word of God, the Bible.Doctrines don't show you the path, the Bible does.God does not need protection, we do.Again, doctrines…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 31 2010,07:11)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,05:01)All the debates center on proving that Christ pre-existed, I want to know what purpose it serves. Did God do it so that we would have something to debate? How does this doctrine work?  What does it do for the believer? How does it help me along the journey to become like…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2010,03:06)Martain,Jesus' teaching are philosophy which is why his students are called disciples.  Most philosophies rely on the principles of this world but gospel relies on godly principles.Adhere to godly principles and you will inherit eternal live adhere to the principles of this world and you will end up in the lake…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2010,01:07)Hi Martian,Who said I was a Trinitarian?So there is only hope for those who believe as you do?Ed Jhttp://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI meant that to be trinitarian in general not you in particular. You do believe the pre-existence do you not? If so then you are partially in the Trinity since that is the genesis of the…[Read more]

STEO RIGHT UP EVERYONE. COME SEE THE SOID SHOW OF MIKE. HE'S MORE FUN THEN A BARREL FULL OF MONKEYS. LOL

HERE HE COMES TO SAVE THE DAY — THAT MEANS THAT MONKEY TIME IS ON THE WAY……

OH boy —- Mike is back to teach us. EVERY ONE BACK IN THE MONKEY CAGES AGAIN SO WE CAN BE TAUGHT BY MIKE. LOL

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,20:33)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 30 2010,14:55)EDJ……………….look up the word to Blaspheme first OK. To blaspheme to to speak out against something in a hostile manner. IMOAnd martian is right people who push the Trinity and Preexistence are guilty of Sinning against the Truth of GOD.  IMOpeace and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,14:29)Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,14:10)I am saying they are guiltyHi Martian,Rev.12:10: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,14:24)Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,14:10)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,12:22)Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,04:26)It seems that many missed the point. To sin or hinder the plan or purposes of God is sin agains the moving of God on his creation (holy Spirit). This would include the Trinitarians and the pre-existers. They…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2010,12:22)Quote (martian @ Aug. 30 2010,04:26)It seems that many missed the point. To sin or hinder the plan or purposes of God is sin agains the moving of God on his creation (holy Spirit). This would include the Trinitarians and the pre-existers. They hinder the work of God.Hi Martian,Think carefully and deeply about what…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 28 2010,11:32)Hello Barley,So much truth and then the addition:YOU:  He emptied himself “of his own desires” and humbled himself to obey God completely.BIBLE:  Phl 2:6-7 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a b…[Read more]

It seems that many missed the point. To sin or hinder the plan or purposes of God is sin agains the moving of God on his creation (holy Spirit). This would include the Trinitarians and the pre-existers. They hinder the work of God.