Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,09:57)Hi martian, Trinity theory says that Christ was not another being but God in flesh.So Christ was another being and was used by God as a vessel but was not the God within himself.By your saying “anothr being” you are starting to sound like the Trinitarians that make Christ other then human. Christ was human.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,20:24)Hi WJ, No. Trinity believers cannot find their doctrine taught anywhere in scripture.I have to agree with WJ on tis one. You cannot find your theory in scripture either.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,09:07)Hi martian, This thread is about the hypothetical trinity and other threads are better to consider this matter.What ar you talking about? Born again theology or preexistance?Preexistance is one of the primary tennants of trinity theory and I did not bring up born again, you did.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,08:52)Hi martian, A man just like us. His origins are another matter and we should just believe what he says about them. Satisfying logic and reason may not be possible.  If you needed to understand what being born again meant before you obeyed the command then you probably would not do so.That would be true if…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,08:16)Hi martian, He was like to us in all ways except sin.If you must always understand then you will be unlikely to always obey”You MUST BE born again”So have you changed your mind? You now say he was like us in all ways, so either he did not preexist or all of us did.There is nothing in your preexistance…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,06:57)Hi Martian, Do we only obey what we can understand? Then faith has no meaning.    Heb111Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. The opposite is true.Mt11But wisdom is justified of her children.The origins of Christ have no influence on his resolution of man's p…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,04:52)Hi martian, You demand that the plan of God satisfies human logic and reasoning as the basis of truth?  Scriptural truth is truth even if it seems to defy our understanding because God's ways are greater than our ways.Jesus explained his past presence with God in heaven and we have to accept that truth even…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2008,16:21)Quote (martian @ Mar. 01 2008,10:41)Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 01 2008,10:34)Quote Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2008,05:19) Hi martian,He was man, just like us. No infant has any memories and he was no different.  In heaven he was the likeness of God, a spirit being, the firstborn of the sons of God. So this…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 02 2008,04:38)Paul…. said as concerning the law he was blamless, but yet went aroung killing Christians and haulling them of to Jail, so by the odedience to the Law sure didn't stop him from persecuting the church did it. He concedered Himself the greatest of all sinners, because He persecuted the church. He went on…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2008,16:21)Quote (martian @ Mar. 01 2008,10:41)Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 01 2008,10:34)Quote Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2008,05:19) Hi martian,He was man, just like us. No infant has any memories and he was no different.  In heaven he was the likeness of God, a spirit being, the firstborn of the sons of God. So this…[Read more]

Quote (Mr. Steve @ Mar. 01 2008,10:34)Quote Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2008,05:19) Hi martian,He was man, just like us. No infant has any memories and he was no different.  In heaven he was the likeness of God, a spirit being, the firstborn of the sons of God. So this likeness of God, This spirit being, this firstborn of the sons of God was not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2008,05:19)Hi martian, He was man, just like us. No infant has any memories and he was no different.  In heaven he was the likeness of God, a spirit being, the firstborn of the sons of God.So this likeness of God, This spirit being, this firstborn of the sons of God was not a conscious being? He was not alive? Did H…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2008,08:39)Hi martian, We worship one God, The Father. But Scripture calls other heavenly beings gods.They are the sons spoken of in Ps 89Psalm 82:1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.Psalm 86:8Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2008,07:45)Hi martian, God was not alone when earth and man were formed.Genesis is a late addition to the works of God.God's heavenly kingdom was already established.Ps 89Psalm 89 1I will sing of the mercies of the LORD for ever: with my mouth will I make known thy faithfulness to all generations. 2For I have said,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2008,07:29)Hi Martian, He was in the form of God.The firstborn son among the other sons of God before the world was created.What does that mean. Not some abstract philosophy but in reality.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 29 2008,05:32)Quote (martian @ Feb. 29 2008,01:37)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2008,12:10)Hi martian, Christ Human? yes.No we receive the gift of life through the first Adam.So you are saying that Christ and the rest of humanity ar different?I know you will say that Christ is completely human. this is the same illogical…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 29 2008,02:51)martian……Amen brother……Jesus only preexisted in the (PLAN) and Will of God, untill he was actually born. Peter said it plainly he was ordained before the world, (BUT) was manifested in our time. Preexistenest and Trinitarians are all in the same boat, there beliefs support each others…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2008,12:10)Hi martian, Christ Human? yes.No we receive the gift of life through the first Adam.So you are saying that Christ and the rest of humanity ar different?I know you will say that Christ is completely human. this is the same illogical answer given by those that believe in the dual nature of Christ.To this point…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2008,08:52)Hi martian, Are you denying the truth of the book of Job?Are you denying all the NT that states that Jeus was human. OR are you saying that all humans have preexited as sons of God. prior to their birth.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2008,07:00)Hi Martian, So Christ fully partook of our estate. Jb25 4How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? 5Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. 6How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?AS…[Read more]