Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 12 2008,14:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2008,11:27)Hi Nick,I am a mere woman, correct.  I am a mere woman without a past existence and history before conception  Jesus was a man but He was a man with a past existence and history.  That is not the same, in fact, BIG, difference.  However, He was born wit…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2008,08:27)Hi martian, Is it not the greeks that demand that all is rational and functional?That is another silly cop out.God ask us to reason with him. And the Hebrew of functionality concept is so far from the Greek thinking as to be in another realm.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2008,07:15)Quote (martian @ Mar. 11 2008,06:50)Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 11 2008,05:50)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 11 2008,05:15)lightenup…….> please tell us what profit it would be to have produced a already perfect person, wipr out His memory have Him reborn and live a perfect life. What kind of…[Read more]

Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 11 2008,05:50)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 11 2008,05:15)lightenup…….> please tell us what profit it would be to have produced a already perfect person, wipr out His memory have Him reborn and live a perfect life. What kind of example would that be to me or anyone else. NO, God brought forth a purely Human…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 11 2008,05:48)Quote (martian @ Mar. 11 2008,03:24)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2008,12:29)Quote (martian @ Mar. 10 2008,11:53)Jesus the son of God was conceived of God/Holy SpiritMatthew 1:20?As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afrai…[Read more]

Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 11 2008,05:50)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 11 2008,05:15)lightenup…….> please tell us what profit it would be to have produced a already perfect person, wipr out His memory have Him reborn and live a perfect life. What kind of example would that be to me or anyone else. NO, God brought forth a purely Human…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 11 2008,05:15)lightenup…….> please tell us what profit it would be to have produced a already perfect person, wipr out His memory have Him reborn and live a perfect life. What kind of example would that be to me or anyone else. NO, God brought forth a purely Human Man Only, with no advantage over anyone else, other…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2008,12:29)Quote (martian @ Mar. 10 2008,11:53)Jesus the son of God was conceived of God/Holy SpiritMatthew 1:20?As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the H…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2008,16:23)Dear MartianSee my post at the top of page 1065 of this trinity forum for an explanation relating to your questions regarding the pre-existence of Christ.I welcome your comments.I hae posted several times about Phil. The problem us that many Trinitarians and it appears you too have a wrong understanding of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2008,07:56)Hi martian, Did Christ not die on Calvary and his spirit not leave him? Did you expect the plan of God to always meet the functional rational ideas of men?Yeah so what. Spirit means breath or wind. So Jesus gave his last breath and died. what does that have to do with preexistance?

Jesus the son of God was conceived of God/Holy SpiritMatthew 1:20?As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy SpiritThe Greek word for conceived has these meanings -of men who fathe…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2008,08:09)Hi martian, Rom1133O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?Pschyco bable and cop out used when one cannot explain their docteine. This is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 10 2008,06:59)Hi Gene,18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:20 Who verily was foreordained before the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2008,06:47)Hi martian, I agree. In the same manner. Not from the same place but in the same manner.Still waiting for you to explain what happened to all the memories and experiances of Jesus before He became a man on Earth.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2008,06:47)Hi martian, I agree. In the same manner. Not from the same place but in the same manner.prove your statement that they were sent from different places. Otherwise it is just speculation

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 09 2008,06:32)Hi martian, Scripture tells us the monogenes son was sent INTO THE WORLD. He made it plain he had come from heaven and was returning there.Christ sent his brothers, drawn from the world, into the world.Jesus says “as” I was sent. In the same manner as I was sent. You ignore that to support your doctrine.…[Read more]

Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 08 2008,02:16)Lightenup  But there are other scriptures that clearly shows that Jesus did preexist before the world was and before Abraham. I will just give you the scriptures and I hope you look them up.First John 1:1…Col. 1:15-18 verse 18 tells us that He had preeminence in all. He was the firstborn of all…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,04:18)Hi martian,Did God give Adam His Spirit or His breath? GenesisChapter 27 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Number 5301Transliteration:naphach {naw-fakh'} Word Origin:a primitive rootTWOT:1390Part of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2008,08:43)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 04 2008,17:58)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2008,11:37)Hi WJ,Numbers 23:19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? So scripture says God is not a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2008,09:57)Hi martian, Trinity theory says that Christ was not another being but God in flesh.So Christ was another being and was used by God as a vessel but was not the God within himself.It seems you are stuck in that old Calvinistic dogma of inherited sin. this could explain much. If you believe all man since Adam…[Read more]