Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2008,12:25)Quote (martian @ April 16 2008,10:25)Lightenup, I apologize if I seemed harsh in my post to you. I am however not going to apologize for my frustration at your continual ignoring of the principles of interpretation that you agreed were appropriate. I do not have to rewrite this particular scripture. That has…[Read more]

Continuing the conversation on fatten versus create, let me ask this question.If you were to read the phrase “slow to nose”, what would that mean to you? How about if I were to tell you that this phrase is the literal word for word translation of a portion of Hebrew scripture. When one makes a literal mechanical translation of the Hebrew into Eng…[Read more]

You ever notice that those in false doctrine more often then not post singular scriptures as proof text and rarely post the entire context. This occurs because in many cases the context would clarify that particular scripture and invalidate their claims. Just as rare among those that have false teaching is the practice of cross referencing a…[Read more]

The Pre-existant Christ theory is really just another of the sub doctrines of the Trinity. Though I can applaud Nick and Lightenup for coming out of some of the Trinity doctrine, they still cling to some of it’s off shoots.One of the early problems encountered by the followers of the Trinity doctrine was that of the nature of Christ. There are v…[Read more]

Lightenup,Before I delve into this more perhaps you might consider the source of your support. I would beware when the Trinitarians begin to back me up.Now as to your accusations —–My oh my, aren’t you full of assumptions. Both about my motives and the scripture.I did not go into more detail on proving Bara means fatten because you have p…[Read more]

Lightenup, I apologize if I seemed harsh in my post to you. I am however not going to apologize for my frustration at your continual ignoring of the principles of interpretation that you agreed were appropriate. I do not have to rewrite this particular scripture. That has already been done by the Trinitarians. I attempt to get back to the original…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2008,03:45)Quote (martian @ April 02 2008,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2008,09:58)Quote (martian @ April 01 2008,10:51)Since a doctrine is being formed on the basis of this  and a few other scriptures, what is the end conclusion of that doctrien.1. How does it support the plan of God?Hello Martian,While I was at…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,07:25)Hi martian, Do you fully know the full plan of God? Is it completely according to rules of human logic?Once again you neglect to mention the enabling grace of the Spirit of God.Without the Spirit of God and enabling grace Jesus and the men of old would have failed and so will we who follow him.Results 1-25…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2008,06:22)Quote (martian @ April 02 2008,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2008,09:58)Quote (martian @ April 01 2008,10:51)Since a doctrine is being formed on the basis of this  and a few other scriptures, what is the end conclusion of that doctrien.1. How does it support the plan of God?Hello Martian,While I was at…[Read more]

I will be off this board for a while. I am dealing with some health issues and do not feel it is profitable to be on here for now.Take care all.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2008,16:42)Hi martian, You say”Every interpretation you post is filtered through your doctrine. ” Mirror anyone?I challenge you Nick to show me where I filter anything through my doctrine. I have posted everything with back up .

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2008,16:42)Hi martian, You say”Every interpretation you post is filtered through your doctrine. ” Mirror anyone?Stop being silly Like alittle boy saying — “I did not but you did.”

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2008,11:45)Quote (martian @ April 03 2008,10:04)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2008,09:25)Hi martian, Was God really with his intentions or plans in the beginning?Can we be with our thoughts or do they perish with us? Speaking is an action that begets. The Word was with God.So far, lightenup is the only one on here…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2008,11:43)Hi Martian,You give alot of information. My brain's hurting.  I know that takes alot of your time and I appreciate your effort.  I am getting the impression that you are not satisfied with the modern English translations of the Bible.  It seems to me that you think that most of the translations say one th…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2008,09:25)Hi martian, Was God really with his intentions or plans in the beginning?Can we be with our thoughts or do they perish with us? Speaking is an action that begets. The Word was with God.So far, lightenup is the only one on here that I konw takes scipture interpretation seriously. I do not believe you do and…[Read more]

I believe I am done for th day on here. Take care all —-

Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2008,09:58)Quote (martian @ April 01 2008,10:51)Since a doctrine is being formed on the basis of this  and a few other scriptures, what is the end conclusion of that doctrien.1. How does it support the plan of God?Hello Martian,While I was at the museum this afternoon I had a thought that might help answer how the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2008,13:23)Dear Martian,AT Robertson and Westcot and Hort differ from others on whether en is by or in so that is not reliable is it?Robertson and Wescot ad hort are acknowledged as being two of the top expersts in Greek. Certainly there will be others that may disagree. REally it is no different then those that insist…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 01 2008,05:21)So Martian,I would suppose these conclusions to be a theory since there were no witnesses. The writer didn't write from experience or understanding because how would he write about the sun being put in the sky with understanding or any of it for that matter?  How did the writer get this info to write down.…[Read more]

In light of the Hebrew concepts I posted on the creation story let’s look at some stories of creation in the NT.First whether written in Hebrew or Greek the Hebrews still carried the same concepts of creation in their minds.Col 1:16 – For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether t…[Read more]