Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2008,17:22)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 28 2008,04:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,18:17)I don’t even know where to start.For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, God's building. (1 Cor 3:9)God draws us by his Spirit, but we freely choose if we want to follow the Spirit’s lea…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 28 2008,11:13)martain this has nothing to do with John Calvin, if your going to accuse me of Calvinism please explain how this fits Calvinism. John Calvin believed in eternal punishment and other things like the trinity non of which i believe in. If your going to lable me you need to at least get the facts right. The…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 28 2008,04:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,18:17)I don’t even know where to start.For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, God's building. (1 Cor 3:9)God draws us by his Spirit, but we freely choose if we want to follow the Spirit’s leading. We work together with God.If what you are…[Read more]

I would like to discuss aspects of the Holy Spirit.When e celebrate holidays we dress in our best get out the fine china and generally use these things that are set aside for a special purpose. This is the concept behind the Hebrew verb qadash and the nouns qodesh and qadash which are derived from it.Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and set…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,18:17)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2008,04:37)Wj…..first let me answer you…….God is not causing you to be a trinitarian, the false concepts that is installed in your mind does it , he simply is allowing it, until He decides to change your thinking.Let me see if I understand. So God is not causing me…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2008,04:37)Wj…..first let me answer you…….God is not causing you to be a trinitarian, the false concepts that is installed in your mind does it , he simply is allowing it, until He decides to change your thinking. You are a product of your thinking and what you think was placed their, the cause and the effect…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2008,17:22)martian….. the problem here is with your use of the word choice. A choice is not the product of Free Will, it is the product of past understanding and desires, The term Free Will implies no influences on choice what so ever. Your combining choice and Free Will as the same when they are not the same. The…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2008,17:33)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2008,17:22)martian….. the problem here is with your use of the word choice. A choice is not the product of Free Will, it is the product of past understanding and desires, The term Free Will implies no influences on choice what so ever. Your combining choice and Free…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2008,16:24)chipwhite……..> I'll give you my opinion of as many of your questions as i can, The trinitarinan idea of Free Will is part of their teaching, It has to do with you choosing your acceptance of Jesus on your own after hearing their preaching, as Billy Graham said that's a decision a person has to make…[Read more]

Quote (Guest @ April 23 2008,16:24)I Timothy 3:16 “And without great controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”Mystery of Godliness – Not mystery of God.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 23 2008,04:23)WJ…….The Spirit of Jesus the person is the same as the spirits we have. Now the Spirit that was Joined with His Spirit is God's Spirit and that is the Same Spirit thats in all who have God's Spirit in them , it called the Spirit Of Christ or the Spirit of the Anointing, which is God's Spirit it was in…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 21 2008,14:50)Martian, this sounds like it needs it's own thread.  Maybe snip your last post and begin a new thread so we don't hijack the Trinity thread.Thanks,MandyActually this type of post is very appropriate to this subject or any other one. All that is being accomplished so far is everyone voicing their opinion…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 21 2008,19:19)Quote (martian @ April 20 2008,23:37)I keep coming to the same roadblock when it comes to the concept of Jesus as God. No mater how I try to see other’s points on the subject, the end conclusion continues to be outlandish. One of the primary missions of Christ life is to be an example for the rest of humanity o…[Read more]

I would like to begin a discussion on the way in which the writers of scripture (Hebrews) thought of names. As we go through this remember that even in the New Testament the authors were Hebrews and thought in the same cultural way as those of their predesessors. The first point is that the Hebrew culture and language did not view names in the…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 21 2008,07:41)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2008,20:36)Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,19:40)Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 20 2008,16:35)Yes brother SDN. He is a prophet, but not just any prophet. He is also King, but not just any King – King of Kings. And He is Lord, but not just any Lord – Lord of Lords.Lord of “Lords”, yes.  But not…[Read more]

I keep coming to the same roadblock when it comes to the concept of Jesus as God. No mater how I try to see other’s points on the subject, the end conclusion continues to be outlandish. One of the primary missions of Christ life is to be an example for the rest of humanity on how to walk with God. To claim divinity for Christ places Him in a non h…[Read more]

To All, but especially those with whom I have found a difference in doctrine.I my years of being on message boards, I have seen a regrettable attitude forming in myself and others. The attitude of being in aggressive debate mode. Nowhere in scripture do I see Christ treating with those that were of the faith in such a way.When I encounter such as…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2008,19:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,10:47)But you want us to believe in just another anointed man or prophet like all the others in the pastBut didn't Moses say that is who Jesus would be?That God would provide another “prophet” from among the brethren who was just like him?  Or am I remembering that part…[Read more]

lightenupContrary to WJ’s statements or actions I am willing to admit when I have made a mistake. I may have made a mistake concerning the Greek in John 1:15. I have referred this matter to someone that is better versed in Greek then me. As I understand it the manuscript evidence for een is taken from those manuscripts used to translate the KJV. O…[Read more]

One more thing. If what you say is true then what John the Baptist was saying was that Christ rank above his was based on Jesus’ pre-existence and not on his work on Earth. This takes away from the glory He received because of His Earthly work as the Messiah and places the reason for His glory and position on pre-existence. Some on this board h…[Read more]