I agree with all my heart and always have. From the beginning of this discussion, I have attempted to discuss scripture in light of what God's purposes are. In light of his plan. It seems many are more interested in debating words and greek tenses then they are seeking to work with God in accompishing His plan.My hope has been to define words in…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,05:58)Quote (martian @ Jan. 22 2009,12:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,03:37)Quote (martian @ Jan. 21 2009,13:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 21 2009,09:21)Martian,The exegesis is not what's broken here that needs fixing, IMO.  Perhaps Christ doesn't need to be exactly like us for us to be like Him.  The Father d…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 23 2009,07:15)Hi Martian, Do you suggest it was by nature or by the Spirit of Grace that Jesus imaged his Father?In Gen 1:27 God creates man in his own image.The Hebrew word for image is TsLM and means an outline or representation of an original as a shadow is the outline of the original. In the noun form, as it is in…[Read more]

Seeking —You said –“f having an advantage negates someones ability to be an example, we have no examples. As has been pointed out,the Father is to be followed as an example – how would that be fair? Reply –You are right. It would be unfair to expect us to be perfected with only the law and OT understanding. In fact scripture says that no one c…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,05:58)Quote (martian @ Jan. 22 2009,12:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,03:37)Quote (martian @ Jan. 21 2009,13:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 21 2009,09:21)Martian,The exegesis is not what's broken here that needs fixing, IMO.  Perhaps Christ doesn't need to be exactly like us for us to be like Him.  The Father d…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,03:37)Quote (martian @ Jan. 21 2009,13:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 21 2009,09:21)Martian,The exegesis is not what's broken here that needs fixing, IMO.  Perhaps Christ doesn't need to be exactly like us for us to be like Him.  The Father doesn't need to be exactly like Christ for Christ to be like Him.  See how it wo…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 23 2009,01:52)Quote (david @ Jan. 22 2009,14:49)Quote A. I can see no purpose in Christ having preexistance that would help to fulfill God's plan to make us like Jesus. Does God deal in abstract knowledge without purpose?Martian, the problem with this, is you believe that it is “God's plan to make us like Jesus.”  No…[Read more]

Quote (martian @ Jan. 23 2009,03:49)Quote (david @ Jan. 22 2009,14:49)Quote A. I can see no purpose in Christ having preexistance that would help to fulfill God's plan to make us like Jesus. Does God deal in abstract knowledge without purpose?Martian, the problem with this, is you believe that it is “God's plan to make us like Jesus.”  No…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 22 2009,14:49)Quote A. I can see no purpose in Christ having preexistance that would help to fulfill God's plan to make us like Jesus. Does God deal in abstract knowledge without purpose?Martian, the problem with this, is you believe that it is “God's plan to make us like Jesus.”  No scripture says this.There is a scripture…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 22 2009,09:16)Martian,I am not sure how you interjected your transition from “secretthings” to mystery.  No where in my response do I see that I said anything about my salvation in Christ being mysterious or a mystery to me.  It is a certainty not a mystery.There is no longer “mystery” about salvation in Christ- Ephes. 3…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 21 2009,10:26)Martian,I like your  Bumble Bee example.  It proves that Scientists, Philosophers, and Theologians – among others – do not know Gods ways.  No wonder God wrote:Deut. 29:29 (KJV)      The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 21 2009,09:21)Martian,The exegesis is not what's broken here that needs fixing, IMO.  Perhaps Christ doesn't need to be exactly like us for us to be like Him.  The Father doesn't need to be exactly like Christ for Christ to be like Him.  See how it works?LUSecondly, —Let me ask a few questions of your teaching –…[Read more]

Let me try to explain one more time. The God of the Judeo/Christian faith is functional and his plan for mankind is a reflection of that functionality. The problem is that most of Christianity has become scriptural and doctrinal and left functional far behind. The gospel is really very simple. God created human children that are to grow to have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 21 2009,09:21)Martian,The exegesis is not what's broken here that needs fixing, IMO.  Perhaps Christ doesn't need to be exactly like us for us to be like Him.  The Father doesn't need to be exactly like Christ for Christ to be like Him.  See how it works?LUThe father is not written of in scripture as our example. Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 21 2009,12:03)Quote A few decades back scientists faced a dilemma. From the physics that they knew at the time bumblebees could not possible fly. That possibility simply did not fit within the physical laws and universe that they knew. Actually, this is a myth.. It was a good story, one that the media and general public…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2009,06:08)Hi Martian, Good stuff. But the man Jesus Christ had unique origins that a human body does not preclude.So are you saying that Jesus was like the rest of humanity only in his human body?

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 21 2009,05:42)Hello,In regards to the “I had with you” in John 17:55 “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.  NASUThe greek word for “had” is written in the active voice showing that the subject actively “had” the glory and not passively “had” the glory,…[Read more]

Seeking —Let me say something about the exegesis of scripture. A few decades back scientists faced a dilemma. From the physics that they knew at the time bumblebees could not possible fly. That possibility simply did not fit within the physical laws and universe that they knew. YET. Bumbles bees continued to fly. It was not until later that…[Read more]

Quote (SEEKING @ Jan. 20 2009,08:58)Martian,Thank you for your apology.  If I have been offensive, If I have been offensive I extend the same courtesy to you.I offered the following as my present convictions:”I see Jesus as god to the extent that all power has been given to him on heaven and earth, Mt.18:20.  He can do all the things God can do b…[Read more]

Seeking —-First let me apologies if I offended you. It was not my intention. This type of venue leaves a great del to be desired. If I had been able to speak the same words to you face to face I believe you would have had a different impression of my motives.If you would I would like to explain my thoughts to you once more.One of the other post…[Read more]