Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2009,06:57)Martian,You asked:Quote How does a pre-existent Christ make him a more viable example for me?How does a pre-existent Christ help me to fulfill the plan of God in my life? Let me begin to answer you with a question.  If you wanted to learn about person “A” from someone other than person “A” himself and you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 25 2009,18:32)GB, If the world is already full of false teachings why add your strange teachings then?The same question could be ask of you Nick

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 25 2009,09:43)Martian said:Quote According to the Ancient Hebrew Research Center and Strings the Word in Ex 4:3&4 is not YHWH but rather HWH  Which means breath. To the Hebrew culture the breath represented the character of someone or something. A generic verb  with a wide application meaning to exist or be.Each Hebrew n…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 24 2009,20:33)thinker said:Quote Again, God said to Moses on the Mount, “I shall become what I shall become”.Marty replied:Quote Actually God said YHWH which means He existsGreetings Marty,It is unfortunate that our translations render “YHWH” as simple existence. It actually should be rendered “I shall become what I shall…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2009,06:22)To All……….these teaching all originate in paganism and People who by into them recieve the plague that comes from them, we are told to come out of Her False teachings, God said come out of Her my people that you recieve Not of (HER PLAGUES) notice God is not the one plaguing any one , its the false…[Read more]

thethinker and lightenup,I am outta hee for a while. I leave you to contemplat the question I asked.

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 25 2009,02:51)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 23 2009,17:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,17:13)Hi Marty,The Son of God showed great humility, you are right Marty. Maybe one day we will all see just how much He has humbled himself and we will be truly broken before Him.LUHi LU:We've already seen how much he humbled himself through…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 25 2009,04:51)thinker said:Quote Greetings Marty, Please give a Scripture reference that says that God is unchangeable. I have found none whatsoever. The Scriptures declare that His PROMISES are unchangeable.I noticed that you did not reply to my treatment of “YHWH” as meaning “shall become”. Why? Marty replied:Quote Mal…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 24 2009,20:33)thinker said:Quote Again, God said to Moses on the Mount, “I shall become what I shall become”.Marty replied:Quote Actually God said YHWH which means He existsGreetings Marty,It is unfortunate that our translations render “YHWH” as simple existence. It actually should be rendered “I shall become what I shall…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 25 2009,04:04)Marty said:Quote Actually there is one thing God cannot do. That is stop being God. He is unchangable.Greetings Marty, Please give a Scripture reference that says that God is unchangeable. I have found none whatsoever. The Scriptures declare that His PROMISES are unchangeable.I noticed that you did not reply…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 24 2009,20:33)thinker said:Quote Again, God said to Moses on the Mount, “I shall become what I shall become”.Marty replied:Quote Actually God said YHWH which means He existsGreetings Marty,It is unfortunate that our translations render “YHWH” as simple existence. It actually should be rendered “I shall become what I shall…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2009,17:07)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,14:16)Martian,Good question!  Here is some verses answering your question:2 Tim 3:14-4:514 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,  15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings w…[Read more]

I am outta here for the night —Blessings to all.

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 24 2009,09:10)Martian said:Quote Rather then having a clear example with no loopholes a pre-existent Christ brings everything he did into speculation. It makes our possibility to follow him a matter of guesswork. Did Jesus overcome sin because he had a pre-existent life or not? The temptation of Jesus' was real because He…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 24 2009,08:46)Hi Martian, Of course all the prophets and apostles were only like to God by the anointing of His Spirit and the grace to enable the development of good fruit. Jesus was different as he was filled with the fulness of that spirit such as it could be said God was in him reconciling the world to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2009,06:16)Martian,Good question!  Here is some verses answering your question:2 Tim 3:14-4:514 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,  15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom t…[Read more]

One last question that sums up all the others. What fruit does your teacing produce that helps me to fulfill God's plan in my life?

The problem with your point about tenses and meanings of words is that depending on the translator you can get different meanings and translations. It is very easily provable that many of the translations of scripture have error based on the bias of the translator. For this reason I prefer the test of function rather then trusting in any…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2009,02:11)Martian,If I were changing the Greek grammar of scripture you would have a leg to stand on with your above discourse.  When the original Greek doesn't fit your understanding you just throw it out as biased translation, over and over.  You have an understanding, most of the rest of us have different u…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2009,09:49)Martian,The words “image” and “form” are not the same greek words.  Man is not spoken of as being in the “form of God.”  That was only applied to Jesus.The strong's number for the word “form” in Phil. 2:6:NT:3444morphe (mor-fay'); perhaps from the base of NT:3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts); s…[Read more]