Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2009,06:08)Martian said:Quote But there is the crux of the matter. Others on hee have said that Christ maintained memories and experiances from his pre-existence into his life on earth. It is memories, knowledge and experiances that mold our character and motivate our decission making. This would give Christ a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2009,05:22)Hi M, So you believe Jesus was born superior to men with supernatural powers that could calm the sea. Given your belief in logic and pragmatism how do these other beliefs align?He was conceived of the Spirit but conception is of bodyIn Hebrew (and other) cultures there came a time when a son was granted the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2009,05:22)Hi M, So you believe Jesus was born superior to men with supernatural powers that could calm the sea. Given your belief in logic and pragmatism how do these other beliefs align?He was conceived of the Spirit but conception is of bodyDo you have children? When you and your wife conceived a child was it only a…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2009,05:57)Martian said:Quote Just exactly who died and made you God. What arogance to think you can judge my motives. I thought that was God's job. Tell me is usurping the position exclusive to God something you do often.Martian,I apologize for my provocative statements. Please forgive me. I took it personal when you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2009,05:02)Hi M, You say” Adam made a poor choice and the character of His father that was breathed in him began to die.”” Adam was created with the character of God. “”Adam lost the position of sonship because he covered the character (in his intimate places) of His Father with the things of the world. (fig leaves)…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,11:28)Martian said:Quote I do not have the time nor patience to teach you the influince of Hebrew culture on the writers of scripture. If you are interested I would suggest you start with this web page. You might want to do some exploring throughout the entire web site as I have found it to be a good…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2009,10:49)Quote (martian @ Jan. 27 2009,07:14)You are comparing apples and oranges.Exactly.If he existed in the form of theos and came in the flesh/walked as a man, humbled himself, then we can be like him. Not so much because he came in the flesh because that doesn't affect us in the slightest. It is what he did while in the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2009,10:49)Quote (martian @ Jan. 27 2009,07:14)You are comparing apples and oranges.Exactly.If he existed in the form of theos and came in the flesh/walked as a man, humbled himself, then we can be like him. Not so much because he came in the flesh because that doesn't affect us in the slightest. It is what he did while in the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 27 2009,16:32)Hi Martian,You asked:Quote HOW CAN I WALK AS JESUS WALKED IF HIS WALK WAS DEPENDENT ON HIS PRE-EXISTENCE? Jesus's walk while in the flesh wasn't dependent on His pre-existence.  His walk whether pre-existent or in the earthy body was always dependent on the Father.  In that way we imitate the Son, by d…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,11:28)Martian said:Quote I do not have the time nor patience to teach you the influince of Hebrew culture on the writers of scripture. If you are interested I would suggest you start with this web page. You might want to do some exploring throughout the entire web site as I have found it to be a good…[Read more]

Just to lighten things up a bit, I offer this —You might be a pentescostel if —1): The amount of money you spend on hairspray exceeds your gas bill. 2): Your pastor announces midweek services EVERY Sunday night, and Sunday service EVERY Wednesday night. 3): You can swim in a denim skirt and still have fun. 4): It takes longer to TAKE prayer…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 27 2009,07:53)Quote Quote”FOR I HAVE SEEN GOD FACE TO FACE”, Genesis32:24-34.This is an undisputable example that YHWH can become something in appearance!Was he a man?Quote EXODUS 33:20“And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.””If he literally did see God's face, being a man, th…[Read more]

I am done for the day.Blessings to all

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2009,14:46)Quote (martian @ Jan. 25 2009,05:17)Tell me this, How does that make Christ a more viable example for me? and How does that help to fulfill God's plan for my life?I think this is a non-question.How does Jesus begin a Jew help me a Gentile be more like him? That too is a non-irrelevant question. The premise or…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 26 2009,19:19)Martian said:Quote While it is true that YHWH can at times mean to become this is a matter of function not appearance.At least you acknowledge that the name YHWH means more than just simple existence. You are now saying that the name necessarily carries with it the idea of God's “becoming” in some way. This…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2009,14:46)Quote (martian @ Jan. 25 2009,05:17)Tell me this, How does that make Christ a more viable example for me? and How does that help to fulfill God's plan for my life?I think this is a non-question.How does Jesus begin a Jew help me a Gentile be more like him? That too is a non-irrelevant question. The premise or…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 26 2009,09:57)Martian,You seem to be completely hung up on the false concept that you cannot be like Christ if He had an advantage over you.  Many here have given you examples of how a leader is better for you if he had advantages whether it be more training, more education, better parents, the right friends, the better…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,09:11)Hi Martian, I grew up with a catholic book called “The imitation of Christ” extolling our need to walk in his steps.I now know it was a futile exercise to consider attempting in my strength to do what he did in his Father's anointing.He revealed the nature of God and did the works of God because God was in…[Read more]

OK, I have been entertained enough for today. Catch you all later.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,07:03)Hi martian, You do show us the influence of hebrew understandings on what is written but then demand scripture meets some sort of greek logic standard of practicality to be accepted as truth. The ways of God are greater than those of men. It never was all about us or all for us and  so if it does all fit in…[Read more]