martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
When we consider God, a being that is almighty who created everything that existed we don't usually think that there are things God cannot do. There are many things man can’t do, but there are also things God can’t do. That’s right God can’t do all things. It is not because He is unable to, that He is limited in power in any way. It is because…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (katjo @ Nov. 12 2009,05:42)Rev 16:7 and I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.(NO CAPITAL ON Lord) 19;1 And after these things, I heard a great voiceof much people in heaven, saying Al-le-lu-ia, Salvation unto the Lord our God. (no capital there) REv. 21: 7(speakimg of jesus)…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,05:23)Hi Martian, You seem to imply that it is a stretch to go from “idea” to “plan” I do not see the stretch. If God has an idea to create a world and beings in his image who are to grow into his character and likeness, he would have to have a plan to see it accomplished. Jesus is the fulfillment of that plan.…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,05:13)Hi Martian, So you define it as an EXPRESSED idea then interpret it as a plan?Was this idea or plan with God?Even as your ideas and plans are with you and are an expression of yourself.
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Georg,A good example of the worth of understanding scripture through the culture is in the post 782 above. Without understanding the culture there is no sensible understanding for YHWH and Jesus telling the Isralites that they are Gods.
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (georg @ Nov. 12 2009,04:24)Quote (martian @ Nov. 12 2009,04:05)Quote (georg @ Nov. 12 2009,02:54)I can not talk to people unwilling to listen, but willingly reject scripture.Georgscripture can only be understood within the culture and language in which it was written.MartianI disagree, scripture interprets itself, understanding comes from…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
It is not a matter of me making stuff up. It is a matter of careful study of the culture and thinking of the Hebrews of the first century. You have taken a literal approach to an English translation because it fits your preconceived idea of doctrine and went no further to ascertain what Thomas might have meant by what he said.A careful study of…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (georg @ Nov. 12 2009,02:54)I can not talk to people unwilling to listen, but willingly reject scripture.Georgscripture can only be understood within the culture and language in which it was written.
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (katjo @ Nov. 11 2009,14:20)Of course Jesus pre-existed! the Bible tells us that Jesus was more than a prophet, a good teacher, or a godly man. the Bible says; Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” the Jews’ reaction was “‘We are not stoning you for any of these, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
If Christ preexisted in a conscious form prior to his birth on Earth, what happened to the personality and memories of that Christ?If Christ retained the memories from his former life that would give him a gigantic advantage over mankind. In fact it would make him none human. I have no memories from a prior life to help me make decisions. How nice…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (georg @ Nov. 11 2009,02:06)TKYou say; “These four books are called the Gospel or good news from God. This was a huge change in religious history. This event had been prophesied for thousands of years. It was referred to as the end of the (religious) world.”As you probably know, the four gospels, although written by four writers specifically…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 10 2009,03:22)Quote (martian @ Nov. 09 2009,07:12)Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 09 2009,18:57)Quote (martian @ Nov. 08 2009,13:44)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 09 2009,08:13)Quote (martian @ Nov. 09 2009,07:23)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2009,07:19)Hi M, I am very imperfect but the bride WILL come to perfection I…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 09 2009,18:57)Quote (martian @ Nov. 08 2009,13:44)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 09 2009,08:13)Quote (martian @ Nov. 09 2009,07:23)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2009,07:19)Hi M, I am very imperfect but the bride WILL come to perfection I agree.One must also know that Elohiym is just and will do what is right. There are…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 09 2009,08:13)Quote (martian @ Nov. 09 2009,07:23)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2009,07:19)Hi M, I am very imperfect but the bride WILL come to perfection I agree.One must also know that Elohiym is just and will do what is right. There are those in the OT that will be in the bride. They were perfect within the light they…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2009,07:19)Hi M, I am very imperfect but the bride WILL come to perfection I agree.One must also know that Elohiym is just and will do what is right. There are those in the OT that will be in the bride. They were perfect within the light they had. For example Job -Job 1:8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 09 2009,04:41)Quote (martian @ Nov. 09 2009,03:55)Quote (georg @ Nov. 09 2009,03:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2009,16:33)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2009,21:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2009,08:28)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2009,15:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
Quote (georg @ Nov. 09 2009,03:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2009,16:33)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2009,21:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2009,08:28)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 07 2009,15:33)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2009,07:30)http://cdelph.org/jesus.htmlThe sight and post above is proof that men who know nothing of the…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years ago
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 08 2009,06:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2009,16:51)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 06 2009,03:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 06 2009,18:54)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 04 2009,19:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 05 2009,09:55)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 04 2009,15:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 04 2009,10:03)Quote (RokkaMan @ Nov. 03…[Read more]
martian replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 15 years ago
Quote (Gene @ Nov. 08 2009,04:46)Martian………..Good post, i like you research skills. I believe the glory of God is His strengths also. He also said He gives (his) Glory to (NO) man. peace and love to you and yours……………..geneThanks Gene. Nice to hear from you again.
martian replied to the topic Jesus did not pre-exist in the forum Doctrinal Disagreements 15 years ago
In order for Christ to be our example he must be human. Completely human just like us.This does not mean that God became a man for that is contrary to the nature of the judeo christian God.several points to consider.1. God cannot lie. His standard of right and wrong does not change. He cannot say something is true today and not true…[Read more]
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