did everybody go on vacation?

the bible also says that good teaching/doctrines produces good fruit. since all of our interpretations are subject to error the more definitive test is the fruit that is produced. It is almost impossible to find two christians that will agree on a proper method of interpretation of scripture so it becomes my opinion versus yours. there is no…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 16 2009,06:30)Hi M, So it must satisfy greek logic? Is that what you call fruit?Did I say that? stop the stupidity!!!!!!!Is producing godly hope in the heart satisfying greek logic?You throw up the logic card every time you are pressed into a corner. The fact is that of all the people on here you produce more Greek…[Read more]

When some argue that preexistence is true it is like examining a newly designed motor. The designer can postulate all day long about how well designed the motor is but if it does not run, what's the point.If the doctrine produces no fruit what's the point?

All through scripture God and Christ speak of judging by the fruit produced. I have spoken many times about the functionality of doctrine. A functional doctrine will produce positive fruit. Unfortunately many are not wiling to examine the fruit of their doctrines. They want to grind out supposed scriptural proofs that others can then counter with…[Read more]

soory posted the wrong page —John 17:5 “And now O Father, golrify Me with the glory which I had with Yourself before the world was.”Reply –What does it really say was with God — the glory. I have no problem seeing God set aside glory for the Messiah. Rev. 3:14 …” These things says the Amen the True and Faithful Witness, the beginning of t…[Read more]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 16 2009,02:54)Quote (martian @ Nov. 14 2009,04:18)I am not interested in scriptural proofs since no one has agreed to a set of rules by which we can all interpret them. Without those rules of interpretation it becomes my word/opinion against theirs.I will begin with a few assumptions —I. Jesus is Gods only begotten son.II.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 14 2009,04:56)Hi M, It is only rebirth of the Spirit that allows us to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus by the fruit and gifts of that Spirit. The Spirit worked through him and will do the same for us if we let the Spirit control our lives.Are the monitors of this forum Trinitarian? It seems when an anti…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2009,07:42)Hi M, We are not spiritual engineers. God changes His chidren who are blessed in His gift of the Spirit.That is if they feed on scripture and allow the Spirit of God to teach and transform them by a renewal of their minds.On the contrary, we are to work with God to do His good will in us. We are partners…[Read more]

I am not interested in scriptural proofs since no one has agreed to a set of rules by which we can all interpret them. Without those rules of interpretation it becomes my word/opinion against theirs.I will begin with a few assumptions —I. Jesus is Gods only begotten son.II. Jesus had a two fold ministryA. To be the blood sacrifice. The spotless…[Read more]

Where is the thread on Jesus' preexistence?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2009,07:14)Hi M, Funniliy enough you still say exactly the same things too. Perhaps it is you who needs to change?I am more then willing to change if someone shows me a functional way in which their doctrines help me to become like Christ. so far I have seen none.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 13 2009,07:07)Quote (katjo @ Nov. 13 2009,06:35)So you are litteraly saying scripture is a lie, Jesus is going to be the one who judges us for our sin!! Thats a fact!Read Rev. And the diciples ,that followed Jesus, are they here now? Jesus is the only one who can forgive our sins and the one who will judge us at his…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2009,06:49)Hi M, Now where did I hear that before. Of course imitation is impossible without the Spirit within.Then it is no longer the striving works of men that lead to the result but that of the Spirit within.Perhaps it is the nature of the beast (forums) that cause me to think that there is little point other then…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 13 2009,06:49)Hi M, Now where did I hear that before. Of course imitation is impossible without the Spirit within.Then it is no longer the striving works of men that lead to the result but that of the Spirit within.And you will hear it again because it is the foundation of the doctrinal argument or at least should…[Read more]

I have no illusions about changing many minds on this board. I fear that most on here are like the man convinced against his own will. He will remain of the same opinion still.I would however conclude that most on here do want to walk with God and become like Jesus in every way possible. That being the case, a question might be raised as to what…[Read more]

Quote (katjo @ Nov. 13 2009,05:39)did you read the post above or ignore it?I read it. Enough to see that your use of proper principles for interpretations is invisible.Answer: In addition to Jesus’ specific claims about Himself, His disciples also acknowledged the deity of Christ. They claimed that Jesus had the right to forgive sins—something onl…[Read more]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 13 2009,04:46)Quote (martian @ Nov. 13 2009,02:51)Quote (georg @ Nov. 13 2009,02:17)To ?Unless you read a bible in a foreign languish, I can't see how any one would think, Jesus did not existed before he became one of us, or that he existed in the Fathers head as a thought, or even that he always existed.I think the bible is…[Read more]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 13 2009,02:17)To ?Unless you read a bible in a foreign languish, I can't see how any one would think, Jesus did not existed before he became one of us, or that he existed in the Fathers head as a thought, or even that he always existed.I think the bible is quite clear on the subject;The Son (Jesus) is the first born of all…[Read more]

From my previous post you can see the truth that God cannot sin or be tempted to sin. Jesus was clearly tempted to sin. This excludes Jesus from being God. Here is an article I wrote some years ago. I repost it for your edification.Three Strikes?One of the most important questions all Christians must determine is “Who is Jesus?” The word “Ch…[Read more]