Mike,I felt an obligation to post why I believe that your methods of interpretation are dishonest and inaccurate. To my target audience I have done that. Because of your indoctrination into the world of dishonest bible study I know I will never change YOUR mind. I feel no more obligation to engage with you farther. That would truly be casting…[Read more]

Mike,I felt an obligation to post why I believe that your methods of interpretation are dishonest and inaccurate. To my target audience I have done that. Because of your indoctrination into the world of dishonest bible study I know I will never change YOUR mind. I feel no more obligation to engage with you farther. That would truly be casting…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 27 2010,14:28)Hello All,Does John 6:62 prove Jesus pre-existed?  I say yes.  What say you all?62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!mikeFor those of you interested in a thorough study of this verse and the entire concept of Preexistence I suggest this web site. It is a bit lengthy maybe a 15 m…[Read more]

To all,I want to be clear that I have no personal grudge against Mike. However, I am attacking his methods for coming to his interpretations of scripture.In my previous post I should point out a few things. Mike has stated that his methods include studying the Greek/Hebrew words and considering the context.Mike did not follow his own stated…[Read more]

Mike -You say-“This one was the one about whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is greater than I am, 42 because he existed before me.’”We know John was born 6 months BEFORE Jesus was born. And Elizabeth was impregnated BEFORE Mary was, so in what sense did John think Jesus “existed before him”?Reply-Following your conclusion to it’s end we get th…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2010,13:06)Quote (martian @ July 30 2010,02:35)You say-But before you start, please DIRECTLY answer the bolded two parts of my last post like I asked.Reply-Your questions have no importance at all if I am dealing with a dishonest researcher.Your process of interpretation is a sham, invented to snare scripturally…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2010,13:34)Quote (martian @ July 30 2010,03:13)Mike says he checks the context. This is untrue. Context means you check any other scriptures having to do with the subject. To say that Christ ascended to a literal place he was before presupposes that he was there to begin with.John 6:33″For the bread of God is he which…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2010,13:06)Quote (martian @ July 30 2010,02:35)You say-But before you start, please DIRECTLY answer the bolded two parts of my last post like I asked.Reply-Your questions have no importance at all if I am dealing with a dishonest researcher.Your process of interpretation is a sham, invented to snare scripturally…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2010,14:33)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2010,14:08)If you say Jesus because he did not have a earthly Father makes him a preexisting being of some kind that is a stretch of the scripturesWhat I say is that Jesus not having a human father makes him DIFFERENT from all of us as humans.  You guys WANT Jesus to be exactly…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 30 2010,14:33)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2010,14:08)If you say Jesus because he did not have a earthly Father makes him a preexisting being of some kind that is a stretch of the scripturesWhat I say is that Jesus not having a human father makes him DIFFERENT from all of us as humans.  You guys WANT Jesus to be exactly…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 30 2010,10:30)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,11:34)I am not surprised that no one else has posted any principles that they use. I think probably some have not the education to really interpret scripture but I know others do not want to follow any principles other then their own opinion. I guess they get their opinions verified…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2010,06:22)Hi M, The kingdom of heaven and God is in heaven and the will of God is done there. We are to pray that that kingdom is extended to earth and His will done here too,Really? So the fall of Satan from heaven was the will of God?Come on Nick, you are muddling up the works again.

Another truth to understand is the close connection between Mike’s theories and the Geek philosophy of Dualism.Dualism (in a simple definition) is the belief that there are two different realms in creation. The heavenly transcendental realm that is pure and holy and the lower natural Earthly realm which has no redeeming qualities. For this r…[Read more]

Mike says he checks the context. This is untrue. Context means you check any other scriptures having to do with the subject. To say that Christ ascended to a literal place he was before presupposes that he was there to begin with.John 6:33″For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven.”John 6:38″I came down from heaven.”John 6:51″I am…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2010,12:35)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,10:39)Sorry got ahead of myself. Before I invest more time on this forum I need to ask you a question.Mike,Are you willing to follow these principles I have posted? If not then post some alternatives. If you will not tell me why? Do you not want to be careful with the text of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2010,13:39)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,11:13)5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God,    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing,    taking the form of a servant,    being made in human likeness.Since Mike will not conti…[Read more]

Hey Mike,What process did you go through to determine if your conclusions about this verse were correct? After all it is not an original text from the first century and you are not living in that culture. How did you do it?

I am not surprised that no one else has posted any principles that they use. I think probably some have not the education to really interpret scripture but I know others do not want to follow any principles other then their own opinion. I guess they get their opinions verified by pimples forming on their knees or something. Some will say they are…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 29 2010,11:12)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,10:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2010,10:00)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,08:57)John 1:6, “There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.” Where is God?  In heaven? Was not John also sent from Heaven?Hi Martian,I don't know what John 1:6 is suppose to prove or disprove.…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 29 2010,11:12)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,10:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 29 2010,10:00)Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,08:57)John 1:6, “There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.” Where is God?  In heaven? Was not John also sent from Heaven?Hi Martian,I don't know what John 1:6 is suppose to prove or disprove.…[Read more]