Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2010,11:59)To All,In written grammar there is what is called the article. In the English we have a total of Three articles; both the definite and the indefinite. The word THE is the definite article. The definite article is used to define something or someone that is definite. A and AN are both indefinite articles being less…[Read more]

Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 12 2010,06:07)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 12 2010,00:51)Mike………Two things………So you really are saying we (CAN NOT) actually come to the (FULL MEASURE) of Christ Jesus. Even though scripture says the opposite.Eph 4:13……> Till we (all) come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,13:58)Hi Martian,I'll take that as a “NO” that you can't answer the black bolded part DIRECTLY.  Thanks.Oh, and one more thing; you do know there is a difference between believing the dictionary's definitions of words and believing someone's interpretation of scriptures, don't you?  We can all access the words.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,13:58)Hi Martian,I'll take that as a “NO” that you can't answer the black bolded part DIRECTLY.  Thanks.Oh, and one more thing; you do know there is a difference between believing the dictionary's definitions of words and believing someone's interpretation of scriptures, don't you?  We can all access the words.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2010,12:22)Quote (martian @ Aug. 11 2010,03:03)The disciples were stumbled in John 6 by what Christ said. He countered – What if you see me ascend to my rightful position as ruler of my father’s kingdom of heaven and Earth. Will you also leave? This is the only position Christ had before as the son of man.The dis…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 09 2010,14:20)Hey guys, Unfortunately, patting each other on the back doesn't count as scriptural proof.   Neither do your wishes for Jesus to be the same as us.What do ya say……..is it time for 17:5?Okay then……..coming right up fellas.peace and love,mikeAnd yet when Irene was posting you and her broke your arms…[Read more]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2010,10:31)Hi Martian,God has known the end from the beginning always…….scripture says so,Isaiah 46:10I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.So I can't and won't argue the point that Jesus was foreordained as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2010,10:31)Hi Martian,God has known the end from the beginning always…….scripture says so,Isaiah 46:10I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.So I can't and won't argue the point that Jesus was foreordained as…[Read more]

Mike,Unlike you Mike, I am not willing to submit doctrine on speculation and guesswork. There is no definitive way to prove where Christ was referring to with the before. This scripture is ambiguous at best and should have never been presented as proof of any kind.HOWEVER –Were I to offer any explanation/guess at all it would be based on the p…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2010,15:19)Hi Mike,I think that Calvin agrees with you too:Quote 62. What if you shall see the Son of man ascend to where he was before? The mean and despicable condition of Christ which they saw before their eyes, while, clothed with flesh, he was not at all different from other men, prevented them from submitting to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 10 2010,14:33)Well I suppose you could say that the fruit itself is that people believe correctly about God and if enough people believed correctly, then the fruit would be unity, and if there was unity, then there would be power, and if there was power, there would be signs and wonders confirming the truth.It may however be hard…[Read more]

T8I would like to add also —“Faith is accompanied with fruit or evidence.”For many months I have been attempting to get certain proponents of various doctrines to show me the fruit of their teachings. For the most part I have been ignored on this subject. I have no doubt that part of the reason for this is the very lack of positive fruit to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 10 2010,09:58)Faith is accompanied with fruit or evidence. To me it is an actual substance that enables things to happen.It produces that which you believe, so it has to be tied with truth.Although if you believe a lie strongly enough it can produce that which you believe too, but with negative consequences. An interesting problem…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 10 2010,05:25)Quote (martian @ Aug. 10 2010,12:48)Yahweh's Foreordained PlanA favorite verse of pre-existence proponents is Jn.17:24. It reads, “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of…[Read more]

Yahweh's Foreordained PlanA favorite verse of pre-existence proponents is Jn.17:24. It reads, “Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world .” It would seem that the Father and the Son had a loving…[Read more]

Paul says that all that is required to be saved is that we believe in God and that Christ is the messiah and that he physicaly rose from the dead. I believe that Trinitarians or not can do that in their hearts regardless of their idea of the Godhead.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 09 2010,01:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 08 2010,03:54)John's Predecessor?Jn.1:15 certainly suggests a pre-existence as it appears in the KJV; “John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.” First, the idea of preference is not…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 09 2010,00:50)Quote (barley @ Aug. 07 2010,12:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 05 2010,11:54)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2010,02:54)Mike………..Paul was talking about a (existence  of a past event) when Jesus existed on earth before his assent He existed in the (form or nature ) of God because  God was (IN) Him , but h…[Read more]

Matthew 5:48
”Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.Most reasonable people will ask how can we be perfect like our father? What in the world does that look like?thankfully we have an example that had to be perfected and one that we can follow. Of course to follow along the same path as he we must make choices based on…[Read more]