Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,07:23)Quote (martian @ Aug. 16 2010,06:21)It is as simple as this —A completely human Christ produces hope that I can be perfected in like manner as Christ.An augmented Christ (via deity or knowledge from pre-existence) produces doubt as to how much or even if it is possible to become like Christ.Hi Martian,And…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,06:43)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,14:12)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it benefits me and I will consider…[Read more]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Quote (barley @ Aug. 16 2010,09:29)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2010,13:08)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,14:04)Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it benefits me and I will consider…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2010,04:58)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 16 2010,04:42)Hello Oatmeal,You are full of mush.Martian didn't use a single Scripture in this thread that I saw.He asks questions for which he receives Scriptural responses and never yet has responded to the Scriptures, here or in the other threads.  He avoids them and then goes to…[Read more]

So far Barley and Gene are the only ones that tried to answer the questions I posed. There are those like Mike and Irene that want to teach us what to believe. 1.It is said of me that I want Jesus to be like me for some wrong motive. The fact is just the opposite. My flesh would love nothing more then to have Jesus be different or have an…[Read more]

Come on. I was hoping for some one to post other then mike from Monkey ministries.

I would like to know if the afore mentioned scripture can be taken literally?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,09:30)Quote (martian @ Aug. 14 2010,17:22)There are those that base doctrine on English translations as if these translations were inspired themselves. John 1 is a good example and it's mistranslation one reason why their doctrines are flawed.What do you know about translating martian? Do you have any…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 15 2010,09:30)Quote (martian @ Aug. 14 2010,17:22)There are those that base doctrine on English translations as if these translations were inspired themselves. John 1 is a good example and it's mistranslation one reason why their doctrines are flawed.What do you know about translating martian? Do you have any…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,08:14)Quote (Guest @ Aug. 13 2010,19:01)In John 17:5 it clearly states that by Jesus own words, He had a glory with His Father in Heaven before the world was.  We do know that He is a Spirit Being now, and that is what He was before…Many will say that Christ went to Heaven Body and Soul.  We have however S…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 15 2010,08:28)Quote (martian @ Aug. 09 2010,09:36)The Trinity doctrine states the Son is coeternal with the Father. Others believe the Son was the first being Yahweh created. Either view believes the “Son” pre-existed prior to his earthly birth. If that is true, how are we to understand the following words Yahweh…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,07:27)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,03:35)There are those that think Christ somehow became a spirit being after his resurrection. They use this scripture –1 Corinthians 15:45
So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL ” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Is that what this scripture m…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 15 2010,07:27)Quote (martian @ Aug. 15 2010,03:35)There are those that think Christ somehow became a spirit being after his resurrection. They use this scripture –1 Corinthians 15:45
So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL ” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Is that what this scripture m…[Read more]

Mike,Are you so insecure that you have to leap to one of the threads I posted to continue this silly debate on John 6:62. You are the one that started this system of debating each individual scripture on a new thread. Why are you dragging it around and hijacking other's threads. Is this kind of behaviour a fruit of your doctrine?

Sorry folks. Sometimes I must deal with the children. I am still looking for the rational to tell me the fruit of the doctrine of pre-existence. Show me how it benefits me and I will consider it.

Mike posted this to another thread to me. But please stop trying to butcher the scriptures to make “ascend to where I was before” be some kind of abstract riddle Jesus was telling. It says what it says, and when you add the fact that the disciples actually DID eventually see him ascend to where he was before, you don't even have a leg to stand…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2010,06:07)Hi Martian, This might come as a complete shock to you and Gene, but it's not all about you.Jesus doesn't have to have the existence that makes you the happiest.  He has the existence that the scriptures clearly tell about.  If you feel “jealous” or whatever that Jesus knew more than us, or was “different” t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2010,06:07)Hi Martian, This might come as a complete shock to you and Gene, but it's not all about you.Jesus doesn't have to have the existence that makes you the happiest.  He has the existence that the scriptures clearly tell about.  If you feel “jealous” or whatever that Jesus knew more than us, or was “different” t…[Read more]

When the Hebrews spoke of the flesh, they were speaking of the natural, physical, material realm in which we live. The Hebrews did not see the flesh as evil but as part of he kingdom of God even as the spiritual realm. They saw no separation into good or bad concerning the spiritual realm and the physical natural realm. When they spoke of…[Read more]