Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You:
1. Yes Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit and Mary.
Do you think that means he was not a man with a human spirit?
Did he already have the Holy Spirit and this did not need to be anointed at the Jordan?
2. oel 2.28
And it will come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
and your sons and daughters…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick
This is what you wrote and only what you wrote:
1. The meek shall inherit the earth.
But some go directly to heaven you say?
Heaven is the throne of God and not the inheritance of men.2. You add a lot of presumption to what you say about the throne of God.
We are already seated with the Lord in the heavenlies.Me:. What I wrote in…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
New bodies at the first resurrection for all those in Christ.
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Gene and Anthony,
You are right for before Christ was resurrected and glorified by this father for all the dead
After the resurrection and ascension for the righteous dead.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You wrote:
As with all men the human spirit of Jesus returned to God at his death.
Me: I disagree
Christ was uniquely conceived with the holy spirit, and only the holy spirit in him at birth. He is the son of God. We become the sons of God through him in us through the holy spirit.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, e…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
You:
Rom 8.11
But if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.The Holy Spirit dwells in us even after death to quicken our bodies at the resurrection.
Me:
Me: Excellent
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
You: 2tim 2.11
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him he also will deny us:
If we believe not yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.Me: True
Hi Nick,
You:
Those alive in Christ are already spiritually seated with him in the…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You:
Jesus really and truly died as men do.
He gave up his spirit on Calvary.
“I was dead and now am alive”
He tasted death for all men and showed it holds nothing to fear for the anointed ones.
Me: True, but his spirit is the holy spirit (Eph 4:4). The holy spirit is in his mind and his mind is in the holy spirit. God’s mind is in th…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick
You wrote:
The meek shall inherit the earth.
But some go directly to heaven you say?
Heaven is the throne of God and not the inheritance of men.Me:
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.After Christ’s resurrection and ascension i…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi All,
This is a continuation of last post on page 217
Rev 6:9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls (5590) of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/revelation/6-9.htmheart (2), heartily (1), life (36), lives (7), mind (1), minds (1), person…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
,
You wrote:Jn 4.14
‘ But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give shall never thirst:
but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.’
But you would change this to say that there would be an interruption at death but the supply would resume later.Me:
John 7:38 He that bel…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You wrote:
Jn 4.14
‘ But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give shall never thirst:
but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.’
But you would change this to say that there would be an interruption at death but the supply would resume later.Me:
John 7:38 He that bel…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You: You would divide the Lord Jesus Christ from the abiding Spirit of life?
Me: Yes, of course.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,
Without Christ really dyeing, there would be no true sacrifice.
You:
When he was proving that death did not take away the eternal life of the anointed ones ?
wierd.Me: Yes, you…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You,
Yes we are warned to guard the treasure of the Holy Spirit in our vessels.
To taste of the Spirit but not submit to the leading of that Spirit leaves us worse off.Me: You should know
You: And to lose the Spirit is to join those spoken of in Rom 8 who do not have the Spirit and are none of his.
Me: You had said that one cannot…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You: DYING TO DEATH is another strange subject.
Me: I see you made up your mind even before discussing it. Dying to death is in the bible. Probably you wouldn’t understand it. I will start a new post on this and what really is the second death?
You: You find it incredible we do not follow your particular logic?
Logic is us…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You:
You find it incredible we do not follow your particular logic?
Logic is uselessness, quenching is not loss.
Presumption is not of faith.
Me:
https://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_thessalonians/5-19.htmto extinguish — go out, quench.
Me: When you quench the spirit, it goes out.
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick:
You wrote:
You have not proven your case. You have not justified your doctrine.
To say that David was concerned that he might lose the Spirit is not proof he did.Me: He could of means he could of whether he did or not. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t of. And I showed you all the scriptures that back up losing the spirit. Do you re…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick
You:
The Soul is not immortal.
It can die in the second death.
mt 10.28Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Me: Everyone’s soul, man or beast will die. There will be one spirit, the holy spirit. All will be in All. You can only worship God in spirit if you have the h…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick,
You: David pleaded with God that He not take His Spirit from him.
But you think our God does that to all the anointed ones at death?
Or could it be you do not understand the unity that is promised in Jn 17?You: God does not take back His Spirit from those who walk in it.
Those in the bosom of Abraham, and those in Christ…[Read more]Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 3 months ago
Hi Nick:
You: When you understand life in the Spirit of eternal life begins now you should understand what Jesus means.
‘God is the God of the living. Abraham’ ‘Isaac and Jacob are alive to God.’Me: Another case of you not comprehending what you read.
Matt 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which wa…[Read more]
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