Hi Gene,

You wrote:

TC…You are adding contexts to scriptures that are not actually said or implyed. You said Adam was not given a body that couldn’t die in time, implying God intended his body to die, but GOD said had he eaten of the tree of life he would never have died. Just as he was, so he prevented him from eating from it. Why would God do…[Read more]

You wrote:

Yes, Christ had to first ascend into heaven where he is there temporarily before he returns to earth where he was created. He will rule the earth from Jerusalem. His father will be here also.
Sorry if I’m reading this wrong but it looks like you where saying when Jesus returns to earth again .( Second coming) .
Yes, Christ had to f…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You have presented a lot of verbiage with some  understanding of what the scriptures reveal and a misrepresenting what I have said. I feel that there is no need to discuss this further unless you can bring something new to the table. We have been discussing the same things over and over again. You and Gene believe what you think you are…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: Then we are told that in Adam all die, but in Christ all will be made ALIVE. This is against what you are trying to teach.

I have already showed you that in John 11:26 those being spoken of that LIVE and never die, are specifically those from verse 25 that are said to live even though they have died, because Jesus is the…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,…

You: Thess 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him….16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the DEAD in Christ will rise first.
Me: bri…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Hi Jodi,

You quoted me

“Me: NO!!!
John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her,Thy brother shall rise again.

Me: Christ meant that Jesus will rise now from his physical death.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day

Me: Martha thought that what the Messiah said in vs 23 was that his b…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: TC, Jesus was not born with a special spirit at his birth, he grew similar to that of John having God’s grace upon him. When he was about 30 years old, which is the age that a male brain is said to be fully mature, is when he was given the full measure of God’s Spirit, a huge responsibility. It was not given when he was an inf…[Read more]

Hi Jody,

You: What did Jesus accomplish through God’s Spirit? He DENIED his flesh, he walked not after the flesh but after the Spirit. In that walk he committed the ultimate act of faith and was perfected through it. His weak flesh told him to ask God to take this cup from him, but that was not God’s will, and Jesus honored God’s will going…[Read more]

Hi Jody,

You: This is an extremely odd statement you made, “he was baptized with the holy spirit with the human mind of Christ in it.”

 Me: It is odd to you because you cannot put two and two together.

There is only one spirit in the end, the holy spirit. It is the conduit to all our minds.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am i…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You quoted me:

“Comment: The promise of the holy spirit occurred from Pentecost, not from the resurrection of the body at the second coming of Christ. David had not received of the promise before this. But he did at Pentecost where he was baptized with the holy spirit with the human mind of Christ in it. yes he was baptized in the…[Read more]

Hi Watchman,

You wrote:
Again, spirit upon conditions before Pentecost, spirit unconditionally after Pentecost. Getting born again is God Creating His Spirit in you (Col 3:10). Create means to bring in to existence something that didn’t exist. GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, created seed in MARY to bring about the flesh man JESUS who became the THE CHRIST a…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Me: Here soul means the entire entity.

Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his (man’s) spirit and his breath; 15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You:
TC….All have spirit from God in them at birth, but not the fullness of the spirit, the same applies to Jesus. When a man dies his spirit goes back to God who gave it in the first place, so it is with all creation. But a messiah is a person who the Father anointed with “holy spirit”, Jesus was given the fullness of the spiri…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You:

Romans 12: 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Ephesians 4: 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: Man is different in that he as a living soul that has a higher functioning brain with a heart and a mind that exists in his body, which can be led by God to know Him and to learn from Him, other mammals with brains do not have this ability.

Me: You are mostly wrong. man will have dominion over the animals like before he…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You:

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You:

One: Genesis teaches us that all of God’s creatures are living souls anything that God has designed and given life to, which would include human beings.
The phonetic Hebrew word nepesh is translated in the OT hundreds of times as soul, and over a hundred times as life, and some of the time as heart and mind.

Two: Your definition o…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You:

One: Genesis teaches us that all of God’s creatures are living souls anything that God has designed and given life to, which would include human beings.
The phonetic Hebrew word nephesh is translated in the OT hundreds of times as soul, and over a hundred times as life, and some of the time as heart and mind.

Two: You: Your d…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

I respectfully disagree.  I believe that Christ had a human mind but the holy spirit as his only spirit.  At the end, his church and mankind will have human minds but the holy spirit and only spirit of God in them.  The animal kingdom will have animal minds but the holy spirit in them.  All will be in all through the holy spirit. Any…[Read more]

Gregory,

You:

As for… “The rest of your rebuttals are transferred to “How the Lake of Fire and the Second Death Brings Salvation, page 8”. Not a clue as to what you are talking about or as to how this was deduced. People had holy spirit in the OT before Christ, just do a word study on the ruach/spirit, and/or read the verses I posted. They ha…[Read more]