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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi All,

     

    1 Cor 15: 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other (seed): 37 But God giveth it a…[Read more]

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    Hi All,

    1 Cor 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:,37 And that (human seed: example seed of David: Rom 1:3) which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other…[Read more]

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    Hi All,

    I still believe that God is mind and spirit.  But I have modified my beliefs about the Word.  He is the image of God.  The Word existed from eternity as the exact spiritual image of God and is God.  The Word became one with the flesh of man.  The “flesh” of the new Adam is a creation.

    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi All,

    1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    Me: Our new bodies from heaven will be in the image of our physical bodies of…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi TWW and Anthony,

    You are so close.

    Who was Christ’s human father that begot Mary? There was none. Joseph was not his father according to the flesh.

    Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

    Me: David was Christ’s father according to the flesh. But if Christ had the spi…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi All,

    1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

    Me: Plain and simple–the natural body is not the spiritual body.

    2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle (temporary dwelling) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi,

     

    You: In him below is the firstborn of the dead.

    Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi,

     

    You: This is what we are told,

    Isaiah 11:1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD—

    Luke 4:17 and the scroll of the…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi,

     

    You quoted me: Christ did nothing of himself proves that the Word in him was YHWH. Christ expressed himself as a cloud, a burning bush, melchizedek, etc. The body of Christ was God’s permanent bod, not the bush, angel, etc.

    You: You say though that the WORD is not YHWH below, you are not making any sense to me.

    You say the Word in h…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi:

     

    Me: Christ did nothing of himself proves that the Word in him was YHWH. Christ expressed himself as a cloud, a burning bush, melchizedek, etc. The body of Christ was God’s permanent body.

    New American Standard Bible
    Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

    You: YHWH’s Word was that a servant would be cal…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi:

    You: Does it make sense to you that Jesus pre-existed as some powerful being but then that powerful being became flesh and had no power of his own?

    Me: No it doesn’t. I never said that.  I said that the Word that existed eternally became one with flesh. God does not change. The Word from heaven that became one and the same with the Wo…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Jodi,

    You: You asked, “John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    How was the Word which is God, made flesh?”
    The Word was Eternal Life, which…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi TWW

    Very good last posts.  I too believe that Christ was made humanly of the egg of his mother and of the genes of his father supernaturally by God and not through the natural spermatozoa process.

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Anthony and All,

    Romans 8:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    Me: The devil dwells in the hearts of our fleshly minds. His spirit is not good at all.

    Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Anthony,

    You: Yes TC I see what your saying I can agree to this scripture and that would mean I’m wrong about baby’s there innocent till they sin. I Just don’t know what to do with what David said. Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me” (Psalm 51:5). This does not mean that his mother bore him illegit…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Anthony,

    Good except we inherit death from Adam and not sin.  Spiritual death causes us to sin.  We are not responsible for Adam’s sin.  Read the above articles I posted.

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Nick and All,

    Me: We are dead spiritually because of Adam’s sin. We sin when we are dead spiritually. We die physically because we are dead spiritually. Body and spirit go together.

    Matt 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead b…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    You wrote:

    Sin leads to death.
    Lusts are not sin.

    Me:

    Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Me: The bold part of Romans 5:12 is in error, as we shall soon…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Nick wrote: So man was born evil you say but James 1.13 tells us that he is born with lusts that give birth to sin, and death.

    Me: So lust is not evil?  Think!

    James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

    Me:

    Gal 5: 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Me: Man is created evil.

    Mark 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 21 Thefts, covetousness,…[Read more]

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