To all,Here is Paul’s teaching that addresses Constitutionalist’s question.Romans 8:1-4(NIV) reads:Quote Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the…[Read more]

Marty wrote:Quote What does it mean to you when the Apostle Paul indicates that if you are led by the Spirit, you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh?  In other words, What does being led by the Spirit mean to you?That would be the spirit of righteousness or love according to God.If you truly love your neighbor as yourself then you will not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,07:03)Hi KW, Quite so.But it is not a command for those under the new Law of the Spirit.Jesus will reveal the true meaning and application in the millenium which is also a sabbathThe way I understand the Sabbath command in the Law of Mosses is that it applied only to the 12 tribes of Israel unless a Gentile was in…[Read more]

Marty,I would like to direct your attention to this teaching of Paul’s.  I am using the King James Version because I believe that is your preference.Galatians 5:16-26(KJV) reads:Quote This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: an…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,03:55)Hi K, The sabbath is divine wisdom and we will see it shown when the Lord of the Sabbath returns. Meantime we do not pass judgment on anyone about their observance of it.Could you please elaborate a little more so I understand what you mean as any command of God is divine wisdom.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,15:36)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2009,01:27)Constitutionalist wrote:Quote It means its not against the law, saying if you have those things within you transgress no law.You will have to explain to me where you see a twisting when I stated that if you live by the Spirit you obey the Law and thus do not break it.…[Read more]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 28 2009,15:41)And circumcism, and post natalism has what to do with the Sabbath?Those two items came from the Ordinances written by Moses, the Sabbath was written by Gods own hand. Seems to be a big difference.Circumcism and post natelism were not perpetual in duration either.So you believe it is OK to disobey God…[Read more]

Constitutionalist wrote:Quote It means its not against the law, saying if you have those things within you transgress no law.You will have to explain to me where you see a twisting when I stated that if you live by the Spirit you obey the Law and thus do not break it.    That is what “fulfill the Law” obviously means.

Constitutionalist wrote:Quote How is a COMMAND from God “just a custom”. Why do you trounce upon God?Acts 21:21(NIV) reads:Quote They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs.That would be this statue from the…[Read more]

Constitutionalist wrote:Quote Where is it written He did NOT have access to the Holy Spirit?This teaching of Jesus lays it right out for anyone who has ears to hear.  He states himself that the Spirit will not come unless he returns to his Father.    Abraham lived before the time of the New Covenant so he could only look forward to it and not ac…[Read more]

To All,It is true that God told the 12 tribes of Israel that the Sabbath one be a sign between him and them.  It is obvious that he was not including Gentiles when stated that despite Jesus stating the Sabbath was made for man.  Of course that is not a contradiction for the tribes of Israel are men.The question is what is it a sign of?It seems t…[Read more]

gollamudi,I realize that you are questioning if Jesus is the Messiah. That is something that you will have to resolve with God. I ask you though to beware of false teachers of law as they are many and seek God's righteousness and his kingdom instead.

Marty wrote:Quote If we obeyed God without sin, then no sacrifice would not be necessary, but neither the Hebrews that were under the law nor we gentiles who were not under the law have obeyed God's eternal law without violating it, if only inadvertently.I agree that if a person already has the Holy Spirit then there is no need for a sacrifice but…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Oct. 27 2009,21:26)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,23:23)gollamudi,The original conversation in John 8 was about certain Jews being the children of Satan and not Abraham.  That is the ouch in that conversation and it is why the many of those Jews left.You certainly find some weird sources.The simply refused to believe that Jesus…[Read more]

To All,Romans 14:5-8(NIV) reads:Quote One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and…[Read more]

RokkaMan wrote:Quote You confuse the Jesus WITH the law…Jesus and the law have two different purposes.I am not sure who you are speaking to, but I do know that Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Mosses.RokkaMan wrote:Quote Since mankind is unable to perceive good and evil…(being a receptor for both)Where did you get that idea from.  Mankind did…[Read more]

gollamudi,The original conversation in John 8 was about certain Jews being the children of Satan and not Abraham.  That is the ouch in that conversation and it is why the many of those Jews left.You certainly find some weird sources.They simply refused to believe that Jesus would set them free from their slavery to sin.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 27 2009,18:04)And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Mark 2:27Quote Constitutionalist wrote:  As Jesus says of the Sabbath, in Mark 2:27, (translated literally): It does not say “all men”It seems to me you are committing the same error as the circumcision group in that you…[Read more]

Constitutionalist wrote:Quote Citizens were also to be Religious.I suppose I should have used the word “denizen”.   A Hebrew can be a denizen of any one of the other lands owned by the 12 Tribes and so not be a Jew, as in citizen of Judah.I also made a mistake as a Jew can also be a Jew by culture though not religion.Constitutionalist wrote:Quote