Gene wrote:Quote Georg and Kerwin……….There are (NO) SPIRIT (BEINGS), except GOD,I am not sure what evidence or argument you have to reach that conclusion.  I know scripture uses the word “ruwach” which is translated to “spirit” to address a type of being in 2 Corinthians 18:20.  I assume the being in question is an angel. This does not n…[Read more]

Choosenone wrote:Quote  Now in your version, YOU are saying that because of 'free will', God is limited in what He can do, because WE can make the choice.I admit that God is limited in what he can do because he cannot do evil, nor for that matter be tempted to do it.   Because this is true when we choose to do evil either we are doing it o…[Read more]

Marty,You did not actually answer my question but I certainly enjoyed your well thought out interpretation of that passage.If I understand correctly you are stating Jesus was speaking figuratively and not literally about Satan falling from heaven.

Quote (banana @ Jan. 02 2010,08:56)kerwinIf you're not even clear on what a spirit being is, or an angel, I see no point in going on with this.You have a happy new year.GeorgI am investigating Hebrews 2:17 and its context.  Studying angel kind and human kind seems to be part of that.   I admit that there is much I do not know which is why I look a…[Read more]

I do not know about anyone else but reliance on the one true God is the foundation of my faith.  Scripture is merely a testimony about him and what he desires of his people.

Choosenone:Quote These few verses in particular show that “GOD IS OPERATING ALL ACCORDING TO HIS WILL'.(Eph.1:11)Did you read and understand my previous post where I compared God to a chess master?   I ask because a chess master operates all according to his will.  You are in one part placing limits on God that do not exist.   God created you so…[Read more]

Worshiping Jesus wrote to Marty:Quote My point is Paul says the revelation he received was not from man, but then gives Jesus credit for giving him the revelation without mention of the Father.2 Peter 1:21(NIV) reads:Quote For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.I…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 01 2010,20:59)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2010,10:45)I know of nowhere in scripture that tells when Satan fell from heaven.  The first place that idea appears in Scripture is when Jesus states Satan fall like lighting from heaven.  It seems reasonable to me to conclude that his fall took place before he used the serpent to test E…[Read more]

George wrote:Quote Jesus, by even eating with them showed them that he was real, not a ghost. Luke 24:39(KJV) reads:Quote Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.As you can see the KJV correctly translated “pneuma” to spirit.  Ghost is a synonym.  That is why t…[Read more]

George,You came up with a third possible meaning of the King James statement in that Jesus could of witnessed Satan in the form of lightning falling from the sky.   My guess is that “as” has shifted its meaning over time or that the translators did a poor job of translating into proper English structure.   The passage might possibly be curre…[Read more]

Terraricca,I am confused about when you believe scripture speaks of Satan’s fall since it appears at one time that you are stating he fell when Jesus was crucified and another that he fell before that.I have heard that Ezekiel 28 is actually symbolic and directed at the king of Tyre and so not speaking of Satan.  The Obstacle is not mentioned by…[Read more]

George,That is an interesting theory though I am not sure how one can test it.

Newbie wrote:Quote Jesus does something only Yahweh will do, can do.  Jesus is Yahweh.  This statement shows ignorance of the fact that God works through Jesus thus what Jesus appears to be doing is being done by God.   Jesus is doing nothing on his own.John 8:28(NIV) reads:Quote So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you wi…[Read more]

To all,I find it interesting that if you look to what the Greek word for natural is it is “psychikos” which is defined as having the nature and characteristics of breath. That sounds a lot like the definition of Spirit.  It is used a total of 5 times in the King James Version and translated to natural 3 times and sensual 2 times.   There are about…[Read more]

Choosenone,I am sure that the individual who sins and refuses to repent and then is brought before God on judgment day will not get very far trying to justify his action by telling God it is God’s fault.  I see nowhere in scripture that supports his point of view.I realize we are speaking of the predestination vs. free will argument.  The pro…[Read more]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 01 2010,11:35)Georg……….Jesus left the earth with the body He was resurected with, and that body went through a door and they thought He was a spirit , but Jesus said a spirit does not have flesh and bone (he did not say blood) , but flesh and bone>as you see i have,  and you are right quoting flesh and (BLOOD) can not…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Jan. 01 2010,07:53)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2010,10:12)Quote (banana @ Dec. 31 2009,20:21)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2009,16:25)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2009,12:03)To all,The letter to the Hebrews instructs us that Jesus was not shaped like the angels but was instead shaped like a human being.  On the other hand other scriptures tell…[Read more]

Chooseone,I often assume my hearer understands certain truths about God.  One of those truths is that all good things, even our faith,  come from God because God created each of us.   Though that is true I am not sure of what practical effect it has since it does not mean we are puppets under the absolute control of God as we still must choose to…[Read more]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 31 2009,20:21)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2009,16:25)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2009,12:03)To all,The letter to the Hebrews instructs us that Jesus was not shaped like the angels but was instead shaped like a human being.  On the other hand other scriptures tell us that some angels appear to be human beings.   How can that be p…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 31 2009,13:15)Hi KW, Lightning strikes the ground in an instant.I.E rather a rapid fall.I agree but the King James Version does not state that Satan fell from heaven.  It states that Jesus saw Satan during a lightning strike.   I have seen people during lightning strikes as well.  Of course it could be a mi…[Read more]