Terraricca,There are a few minor problems with what you state and I do not want addressing them to damage the major point we speak on so I will not address them directly.You are correct that the conclusion of logical argument is only as good as the information you plug into it and you are also correct that our knowledge of God increases with time…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2010,08:45)Hi KW, It is so easy to walk off the path of truth.Start from logic and inference and drop the actual words of scripture. Then just develop your own ideas loosely related to scripture and use them as your foundation.Very soon you will have a denomination of your own making.I use logic and reason to keep my…[Read more]

Terrarica wrote:Quote sometimes it is by intuition,but it could be more than that and more than logic.I think you are misunderstanding what either logic or intuition mean.   The goal of logic is to arrive at the correct answer by way of reasoning  while intuition is knowing the correct answer without using reason.  Either works best when the sp…[Read more]

Terraricca wrote:Quote i think you do not understand Nick, or what he says,I strive to be as clear spoken as possible with Nick so that if I do misunderstand him he can correct that misunderstanding.   He has not done so.Terraricca wrote:Quote but scriptures are tools of the Spirit of God …If you mean that scripture was delivered to by the Sp…[Read more]

Nick Hassan wrote:Quote The weak worldly tools you have shown so far and your willingness to test scripture against your own concepts will always leave you grasping at strawsYou have not shown that you even know what testing the spirit of what you hear, read, believe by the spirit of righteousness means.  This is why I wrote:Previously, Kerwin…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2010,01:57)Hi KW, Scriptural analysis using human tools will lead to fascinating results but few answers.Eventually man must stop analyzing, submit to God's scriptural wisdom and desperately seek the Spirit.I was speaking to Gene about how you fail to understand scripture and you provide me with an example to give him.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 26 2010,22:14)Nick…………..God's Spirit is (NOT) just limited to Scriptures it is (INTELLECTS) From GOD, given us. Can;t you see that?peace and love……………geneWhat you state sounds awkward in the English language.   I believe you mean “knowledge”.Saying “intellect” sounds like the spirit is intelligence…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2010,15:25)Hi KW, You have got to stop judging spiritual things on the human plane. Only scripture can discern the subtlties of scripture and trying to filter truth using human measures will always frustrate you.Only God can discern the subtities of his word and scripture is not God which is why Jesus rebuked certain…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2010,13:52)Hi KW, Do you think your justifications of the use of human logic in dealing with spiritual matter are sufficient?When you agree with God on what human logic is then I can answer your question. Until then we are speaking on seperate planes.

Terraricca,The so called trinitary formula in Matthew 28:16 is possibly older than the idea of trinitarianism.  I will have to do reasearch to see if that is the case and it is not I priority as I do not see that as supporting trinitarianism.  Calling it a formalla in fact smacks of legalism.  It is faith that saves one and not some words said wh…[Read more]

Nick Hassan wrote:Quote To those bound by human wisdom he even uses their tools.You still fail to understand what is human wisdom and what is godly wisdome. What makes wisdom, or logic, for that matter earther “human” or godly is the principles upon which it is based. If it is based on the principles of the spirit of holiness then it is godly…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,10:44)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 26 2010,13:56)Marty.You make a good point about Psalms 16:10 using logic.  I believe Acts 2 records that Peter also used logic in regards to that passage.KWPs 18:26 to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewdMt 10:16 I am sending you out like sheep…[Read more]

Marty.You make a good point about Psalms 16:10 using logic. I believe Acts 2 records that Peter also used logic in regards to that passage.

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,07:05)Hi Kerwin:I mean spiritually discerned like this:Quote 1 Corinthians 2:7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:Quote Luke 10:21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,03:42)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2010,19:53)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,14:00)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2010,16:23)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,08:10)Hi KW, Jesus expressed spiritual truths that those of the Spirit understand. No human logic or implication is required.Jesus used human logic to express those…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,04:55)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2010,16:39)Marty,I merely at this time am making the point that God is not always explicit in what he teaches.   He expects us to understand him none the less.  The way we learn is to submit ourselves to him as we seek him in other ways as well.In this way I hope to remove obstacles from t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,03:32)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 25 2010,19:33)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,14:03)Hi KW, Calling folks liars normally draws a tile but towards me? Perhaps t8 may object but I guess your anger at disagreement is the cause.Calm yourself and go back to what is written.Now stop dodging and answer my questions instead of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2010,00:40)Hi KW, The Spirit spoken of in Gal5.22 is the Holy Spirit of God that abides in those reborn from above who submit to the guidance of that treasure.That Spirit is with the spirit of the manThere is no alternative OLD or SHARED HUMAN SPIRIT or CORRUPTED SPIRIT or PRINCIPALS LIVED BY spoken of here or anywhere…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2010,15:49)Hi KW, They are alive to GodSons of the resurrection they are sons of GodI can see where you get that from scripture though it certainly is not explicitly stated therein. Still there is only two choices and they are not son of damnation.

Nick Hassan wrote:Quote 'Spirit' in Numbers 14 is as 'soul' as often occurs in scripture-only the Word can discern between the two.  I might actually agree with you on if you are stating that spirit in this Numbers is used as a synonym for “soul”.   The two seem to work together, or at least are supposed to. I am not sure how you are inter…[Read more]