Pierre,You seem to fail to understand my point which is that the word of God does not contradict itself. If your understanding of the Word is contradictory then it is your understanding that is irrational not God’s. In fact by saying that God’s Word is irrational, and you do by believing an irrational tenet, you are accusing God of being uns…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote if Christ was not the son of God before men creation, this would mean that he is a mere man, NO MAN CAN SAVE ANY OTHER MAN WITH HIS LIVE ,HE ONLY CAN SAVE HIS OWN; Jesus saves us by his life, death, resurrection, and ascension.  He saves us by his life because he was tempted just as we are but without sinning.  He saves us b…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote men logicI assume you fail to properly define the logic of man since you are misusing the terms. The logic of man is logic that depends on the principles of this world. It is also contradictory to the nature of God. Since God is not irrational it follows that any irrational idea does not come from God and thus is merely…[Read more]

Martian,You wrote:Quote I am making fun of the stupidity of the Preexisters.It does not sound like satire or mockery to me. It sounds like anger that has grown from a bitter root. Mockery would be to make fun of the fact that Preexisters believe the absurdity that Jesus was born before his ancestors. They must also believe that a person is an…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote no ,i am not right scriptures are.You appear to believe that your understanding is God’s and so do not test it. For example Gene defines the words “free will” literally and thus misses the implied “self” that is meant by the supporters of the free will tenant. These implied words are common in the English language…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote just because of KERWIN does not understand col;1…I would say KERWIN is wrong.This comment sounds like you are saying that I am wrong because you are right.  I hope I am misunderstanding you and you are just failing to provide evidence to support your interpretation.You wrote:Quote first i want to clear that you are still…[Read more]

Martian, Who cares what others use to justify their beliefs, a Christian tests to see if the spirit of those beliefs is from God or not. A Christian watches themself to ensure their own believes and actions come from God. The bitterness and anger I hear in your words does not come from God. Please cloth yourself.

Pierre,Romans 9:21(NIV) reads:Quote Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?Do you believe this scripture is true?Do you believe that Paul is using a Potter to symbolize God?I do because he carries on with the argument in the next verse.Romans 9:21(NIV)…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote do not try to twist scriptures in your mind to justify your errors,I am well aware I do make errors but that does not mean I am making one this time.  You should check yourself as you have failed to support your interpretation with evidence while I have presented evidence and asked you have not answered.I believe you have…[Read more]

Martian,Just because even an expert claims something is true does not mean it is. You lay out your case and allow your hearers/readers to render their judgment. You then try to make another case to explain your viewpoint whether believe it or not. At this point I hear you but not the evidence to support your viewpoint.Patience and love is…[Read more]

Pierre,God did create Satan as an angel of light but Satan rebelled against God because he loved evil.God did not create sin because he cannot rebel against his own self.

Pierre,Perhaps you should question the assumptions you make about scripture as 3 versus later Paul teaches us:Colossians 1:18(NIV) reads:Quote And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.What do you think “firstborn among the dead” mea…[Read more]

Pierre,I have come to believe it is wiser to believe people are deceived because of their ignorance than that they are corrupt and so choose to lie because of it. I therefore pointed how theit chosen interpretation differs from the plain meaning of other scriptures.Hebrews 9:26 supports my interpretation as it claims Jesus appeared only once and…[Read more]

Gene,Are you making the point that God is the author of what is good and that all evil is rebellion against God.Are you also stating that those guided by their own wills are in rebellion against God as they reject the voluntary choice of submitting to his will?If that is all the points you were making I do not disagree.

Pierre,The passage from Isaiah 45:7 uses the word “evil” as the name of disastrous vents such as earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, and the like. God obvious did not create evil desires as they are rebellion against him. He does suffer their existence and thus may be said to create their results. He does all these in his striving to shape men int…[Read more]

Pierre,Jesus spoke of Abraham seeing Jesus' day because Abraham believed God when God promised him.Galatians 3:16(NIV) reads:Quote The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.also read:Galatians 3:19(NIV):Quote What,…[Read more]

T8,The reason Paul waxed poetic was that he was using Jesus’ actions to demonstrate to his readers what having the same attitude as Christ meant and that such an attitude will be rewarded by God. My interpretation agrees with his purpose. Does yours?I have also said nothing that cannot be supported by other scriptures, including that humans a…[Read more]

Mike Boll,They appear to get poetic in the Middle Eastern countries.  It seems to be part of the area's culture; perhaps more so in ancient times.  You see the same thing in other scriptures.  Paul seemed to do that as well.I do not agree with you that Jesus humbled himself before becoming a man as a comma separates items that occur at the same ti…[Read more]

Pierre,Gene is not the best at communicating hid ideas so perhaps you should listen to his description before assuming it fits into what you consider predetermination. Gene believes that humans make decisions based on their own desires and thoughts. Where does that fit in with the common definition of predetermination?I merely pointed out that…[Read more]

Mike Boll,Jesus being righteous as God is righteous could have chosen to become full of himself because of that fact and so fall from grace. Instead he took on an attitude of humility and decided to become a servant of all. He persevered in doing this despite all Satan threw at him even to dying on the cross. God saw his deeds were pure and so…[Read more]