Csaliba (Charles),You wrote to the Happyman:Quote John 10:30     I and the Father are one.” It wasn't possible for God to become man Without Jesus.Jesus became the most sinful being on earth for us.Practically He became Satan himself to destroy him to convince him that He is omnipotent, and also superior to him the founder and father of sin…[Read more]

Mike Boll,In John 1:1-2 the word “Word” has a consistent meaning and so the word “Elohim” would also seem to have a consistent meaning in the statement that Johovah Elohim is the Elohim of Elohim.  I believe that meaning is congruent to “Pantheon”.I can also see both demons and angels being considered members of the Pantheon of heaven. I am…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 19 2011,08:07)Hi Kerwin,I disagree.  I think that since they use the same exact word twice in the phrase “God of gods”, they are not implying that Jehovah is the God of anything less than a god.  “King of kings” doesn't imply that the lessor kings are any less a king than the King OF them, right?  Same with “Lord of lo…[Read more]

Mike Boll,You asked:Quote What does “the God of gods” mean to you?  Does it mean that He is the “Deity of others who are not quite deities, but we call them by the same title in the same phrase”?It is simply a title that lacks written context in every scripture I could read so it requires you to figure out the unwritten context from other…[Read more]

To all,Here are two events in the life of Jesus where the Spirit of Christ is mentioned.Quote Matthew 3 (Young's Literal Translation) 16And having been baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water, and lo, opened to him were the heavens, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him, 17and lo, a voice out of the…[Read more]

Pierre,I agree that Jesus received the Spirit of Christ in its role of Counselor  from God then asked his Father and our Father that it be given to those that believed in him and so obey his teachings in accordance with the words of Acts 2:33.   He asks that the Holy Spirit be sent as the Counselor in John 17.Quote John 17:20-26(NIV)20 “My pra…[Read more]

Mike Boll.I will have to check Hebrew words are translated “false”.As you, or anyone who cares to check, it is easy to discover that the words elohim and theos have multiple definitions.    One must be careful to apply the correct definition when they are used.A fallen god is one who has fallen from God's grace.   That the god or gods being sp…[Read more]

To all,Who among you disagrees that Acts 2:33 declares that Jesus the Anointed received the the Holy Spirit from God?If you do disagree then why?

Pierre,Do the words and actions of Jesus reflect God because the Spirit of God dwells fully in him?Who or what knows the deep things of God and thus can reveal them to others?Does the Spirit of God teach, train, etc. in righteousness?

Worshipping Jesus,I have no desire to debate the correct interpretation of the various scriptures we have addressed in our conversation as I believe it would distract from the topic of the thread.I do believe that you understand that the word “god” can have more than one meaning and that was my point to begin with.I originally thought that you and…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 12 2011,20:25)Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2011,22:17)Pierre,A person's life and doctrine is the result of the Spirit they live by whether that Spirit is of God or of the world.  If a person walks according to the Spirit of God they come from above but if they walk according to the Spirit of the world they come from below.  False t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 08 2011,21:16)Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2011,15:40)Worshipping Jesus and Mike Boll,I believe you understand what John writes here when he states that false teachers went forth from them literally but were not of them spiritually and yet you seem not to understand John 6:38, where Jesus teaches he came from God spiritually even…[Read more]

Pierre,A person's life and doctrine is the result of the Spirit they live by whether that Spirit is of God or of the world.  If a person walks according to the Spirit of God they come from above but if they walk according to the Spirit of the world they come from below.  False teachers come from below for their teachings are based on the p…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 08 2011,04:47)Kerwinmy dear friend you are lost in your understanding;you say that Quote 1 John 2:19 (Young's Literal Translation)19out of us they went forth, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but — that they might be manifested that they are not all of us.and you mix it…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 08 2011,02:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2011,15:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,09:30)Good points Mike. That is the whole issue. He cannot prove that Jesus is not speaking in literal terms but instead a  parable.Hi Keith,It would be absurd to think it was a parable of any kind.  It was a literal teaching t…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 07 2011,15:40)This is all word play games.At one point WJ says 'Only one God' – then he later says 'Only one TRUE God'.It is clear there is a difference – and his arguments PLAY on that difference.Scriptures clearly mentions other Gods… Because 'God' is a TITLE.And a TITLE can be given to many in context.Kerwin, the Son of a…[Read more]

WJ,This is what scripture states and the conclusion I draw from it.Quote John 10 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; So who was it that the books of law were given to?  Was it not the children of Israel?Quote Psalms…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 07 2011,02:03)Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2011,13:33)Quote (shimmer @ May 06 2011,12:18)Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2011,13:08)Confusion is not necessary bad as to admit it means you are admitting you have more to learn from God.   To clear up your confusion need to test what you hear and make sure it conforms to seeking God and his…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 07 2011,00:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2011,22:37)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2011,15:50)Paul said……and that there is NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE.NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE means there are “no other gods”, period!WJApparently not.Hi allIt appears Mike is saying Paul’s words “there is NONE OTHER GOD BUT ONE” are “ap…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 06 2011,12:18)Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2011,13:08)Confusion is not necessary bad as to admit it means you are admitting you have more to learn from God.   To clear up your confusion need to test what you hear and make sure it conforms to seeking God and his kingdom.  Anything else comes from the Devil.Kerwin,Iv looked at this f…[Read more]