Mike,Quote Kerwin, address my point about Rev 21:5 please. Why should I bother since you appear to deny how language works?  Quote Says the man who thinks the EXPLICITE word “ALL” actually means “NEW”.This is an example in point as what “all” means depends on the context of what you are speaking about.  So the question is not about what the word…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2011,08:55)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2011,00:08)Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 27 2011,20:00)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2011,04:44)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 27 2011,01:26)ED j……….Kerwins last statement is correct brother.  Jesus or us did not preexist our berths on this earth, we were all in the “WILL” and “PLAN”  of GOD but came i…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 31 2011,03:16)Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2011,20:49)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2011,06:15)Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 29 2011,20:46)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2011,19:34)Hi Paladin,You work real hard to disagree, don't you?nothing hard about disagreeing with your last post to me. it is full of fallacies.”Beginner” tainted by religious training?…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2011,11:22)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2011,16:04)Ed J.My “theory” is a literal interpretation and the reasonable conclusions I that are drawn from it.  You have not offered any reason why Luke 1:31 and 36 should not me taken literally.  I would like to hear it.As for Micah 5:2 Jesus' existence was known and planned by God long b…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2011,21:32)you are speculating in your own mind, if you have inside show it do not say foolish thing based on your own feelings,if scriptures says what it says and we have it wrong you would clearly be able to show your point in the way of truth ,of scriptures ,so do it or do not say you know when you do not…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Of course it's not explicitly written that way, Kerwin.  What IS explicitely written is that ALL things came through the Word, God's Son, AND our Lord Jesus Christ.This remark sounds like you have no clue how language works.   Whether that is true or not I figure that it is wisest to go over it in case it is.Here is an essay challenge f…[Read more]

To all,I posted this to the wrong thread inadvertantly. I am moving it to the preexistence thread where it belongs. It is a post to mike on that thread.

Pierre,Quote 1)I do not believe in incarnation of anyone in God;but I believe that THE WORD (Christ ) came down from heaven to become like one of us and voluntarily give up his fleshly body and live for a ransom for our sins ,and then return to heaven ,2)see answer #1I am not saying that a person incarnated in God or the Spirit as the Word of God…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 30 2011,01:08)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2011,01:20)Ed,Quote Kerwin, non-Scriptural ideas do not impress me. Today everyone's word has become scripture to them as they read into scripture what their itching ears want to hear.  Therefore test every idea against the principles of God and against those of man.  The ones that are f…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Does that make Jesus God to be worshiped??? This line of conversation began with Mike stating he believed Jesus was created from a part of God.  I answered that God divided cannot stand.  He did not seem to understand my response and so I added that making Jesus from a part of God would make two Gods worthy of being worshipped; just l…[Read more]

Mike,Quote God is a spirit being, and would therefore beget, not Himself, but another, different spirit being. What you imply is that people would bow down and pay taxes to the infant child of King David, just because that child's FATHER is the King. The King of Israel would not beget other Kings of Israel, causing Israel to have many kings at…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2011,11:58)KerwinProverb LXX versionChapter 3030:1 The ungodly man flees when no one pursues: but the righteous is confident as a lion. 2 By reason of the sins of ungodly men quarrels arise; but a wise man will quell them. 3 A bold man oppresses the poor by ungodly deeds. As an impetuous and profitable rain, 4 so they…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 28 2011,20:19)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2011,10:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,20:41)But Gene, How is it that the Word AND the man Jesus BOTH had the glory of God's ONLY begotten Son?Gene,Though I have already answered this question of Mike's I would also like to hear your answer.Kerwin……….. God and his WORD…[Read more]

Ed,Quote Kerwin, non-Scriptural ideas do not impress me. Today everyone's word has become scripture to them as they read into scripture what their itching ears want to hear.  Therefore test every idea against the principles of God and against those of man.  The ones that are found rely on the principles of man are to be discarded while those t…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote you do not see it through the spirit ,the soul of man is the spirit and that is what has to submit to the will of God the flesh will follow it has no choice ,flesh count for nothing,right ?I agree that one must see through a righteous character in order to understand the Word of God for Satan will use one’s desires of the flesh to l…[Read more]

Mike,In an attempt not to be overwhelmed by sheer volume, I am breaking your post into parts.It is flawed reasoning to believe that John 1:3, Hebrews1:2, and Colossians 1:13-16 are all speaking of the same thing just because the words are the same. For example I can say “I made all of this” and at another time I can say “I made all of this”…[Read more]

Irene,Quote One more thing Kerwin, anytime you accuse a Brethren you accuse yourself… and God see's it….be assured of that my friend.,.. now you walking on Gene's road…I know not what words which I wrote that you perceived as an accusation.  Perhaps it was my words about having a spirit viewpoint and not a flesh one.  Scripture instructs u…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2011,20:41)But Gene, How is it that the Word AND the man Jesus BOTH had the glory of God's ONLY begotten Son?Gene,Though I have already answered this question of Mike's I would also like to hear your answer.

Mike,Quote Nor did I divide myself when I begot my son.  How does this answer the point that all of God's creations can beget natural offspring after themselves, but apparently God Almighty cannot?The being of God is God just like the flesh of a human is human.  To take a part of God from God means you have two Gods that are both worthy to be w…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Kerwin! And now you are going to ignore those Scriptures that teach that Jesus did preexist??? Scripture does not contradict and therefore those that seem to state Jesus is preexistent are simply misunderstood.  This is because scripture clearly states that Jesus, like his cousin John the Baptist, was miraculously conceived in his…[Read more]