Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 11 2011,19:13)Sorry, I got that somewhat mixed up, the body without the Soul is death….The Soul is the Spirit then, right the breath of life, that goes back to God who gave it….Gen 2:7   And the LORD God formed man the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Kerwin!  God has a Spiritual Body like Jesus, This is not the point we are neither discussing nor does Scripture state that Jesus or God have spiritual bodies.Quote 1Cr 15:45   And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam a quickening spirit.  1Cr 15:46   Howbeit that not first which is spi…[Read more]

Paladin,Quote But Jehovah is not of a physical nature, for “God is spirit.” Jesus is not “Spirit” but is flesh, of his father David. I agree as I am not implying God has a body.  I just lack the vocabulary to express my idea literally and so I strove to use vocabulary that fit Irene’s idea of a spirit body in order to point out a son born of th…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 10 2011,17:34)Kerwin! The Soul is not the Spirit, the Soul is our bodies….The breath of live is our Spirit, which goes back to God who gave it, at death…..Gen 2:7   And the LORD God formed man the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Irene,Please!Quote Matthew…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 10 2011,15:11)Quote I agree but I will also point out that you are making a similar error it is clear that a Son is of the same kind as his physical Sire and since Jehovah is of the physical God kind then Jesus would also be of the physical God kind just like Jehovah.    That obvious point caused the Trinitarians a problem s…[Read more]

Irene,Quote That all depends what you mean by New Creation? The new creation is the creation of a spirit (essential character) of all things. It is finished when all things once more are in the kingdom of heaven.James speaks of it in this scripture though the word “new” is implied.Quote James 1:18King James Version (KJV)18Of his own will begat he…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I see.  After Jesus died, was he BORN again?  Isn't that how he got to be the FIRSTBORN from the dead?  But, according to you, that can't be.  Because if Jesus was already born once by Mary, then he couldn't possibly have been born again from the dead.  Do you see how weak your argument is? I used the word “conceived” and not “born” b…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2011,09:51)KathiQuote God the Father was never without His Word or His Spirit.Kathi but the scriptures do not say that -THE WORD -IS HIS SPIRIT OR HIS SPOKEN WORD,you do not understand God  wordsPierrePierre,Are you claiming The Word of God is not the Word of God?

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 09 2011,09:13)Irene,Quote Let me see what other translation sayI agree that Rev 3:14 is hard to understand as the Greek word used in the original manuscripts is approximately similar to the English word “leader” and therefore has different meanings according to the context.  Never the less I believe we both agree that Jesu…[Read more]

Mike,Quote That's right, Kerwin.  And nobody here has ever denied this scriptural fact. Hebrews 2:14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—What person who was never anything BUT human would have it said about him that he “SHA…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Let me see what other translation sayI agree that Rev 3:14 is hard to understand as the Greek word used in the original manuscripts is approximately similar to the English word “leader” and therefore has different meanings according to the context.  Never the less I believe we both agree that Jesus is the chief of both the new and old…[Read more]

Irene,Quote You said that…You come to the wrong conclusion in what I said……Jesus did became a man by Maria….. But before He did, He existed as a Spirit Being…..You say an individual dos not exist before they develop…..which is true  as far as Humans are concerned, but Jesus existed again before He became a man. Quote Luke 1:36King…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Of course I believe that Jesus was conceived by Gods Holy Spirit and became man….. That has never been an Issue with me, or others….What we do debate is does Jesus existed before He became a man….I have no idea what you believe the word “conceive” means but I believe it means to come to contain a developing human individual fro…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 07 2011,06:03)That is a good point, t8.  But if God divided everytime He brough forth another being, He would be a lot less now than when He started creating.    I didn't divide myself to beget my son, why would God?  Also, Kerwin readily acknowledges that God created other spirit sons.  I'm trying to find out what he thin…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 07 2011,04:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2011,11:24)He claims that God would have had to divide Himself to beget a Son.  And I'm trying to get the “WHY?” of that one answered too, but so far to no avail.God bringing brought forth a son from himself, even if it was considered a division, still wouldn't lessen God. Dividing…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Paladin!  So all Christians are the begotten of the Father?  No Sir….We are begotten from our Parents…. Adam was made out of the dust of the earth…… and to dust we all will go…. And if Jesus would not have come to earth to do His Fathers will, we would stay dead… So you disagree with Jesus when he states you must be born o…[Read more]

Mike,Quote No one even mentioned WHAT angels were created out of.  A point I was making. though you seem not to understand, that it is a paraphrase of the words I used which are “God can make angels from nothing”.  No one in scripture ever states that an angelic being became (morphed) into the human being Jesus, much less what such a being was c…[Read more]

Irene, Quote I believe what Scriptures say….If that is true then you believe that Jesus the human being both speaks and acts in accordance with the Word of God and so is the Word made flesh.  Yet when you state that the Word symbolizes the angel that would come to be named Jesus then you deny that Jesus is the Word made flesh.Quote He was with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2011,21:28)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2011,00:15)Mike,Your words do not align with the Word of God as you just denied the words of Jesus when he told his disciples that with man it is impossible to please God but with God all things are possible.Kerwin,Why not tell me which exact words I posted “do not align with the word…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 05 2011,21:30)Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 05 2011,08:53)Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.Kerwin, I think I'll start with this scripture Irene quoted.  Jesus came to do WHAT?  REDEEM us?  From what?Think it out, brother.Mike,Jesus teaches us that himself with these wo…[Read more]