Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2011,11:18)To all,I see that some seem to be confusing two different non-corporeal elements of a human being because they are each called spirit in scripture at certain times.In both Hebrew and Greek the non-corporeal is spoken of as the wind.  Jesus compares the spirit of God to the wind with these words.Quote John…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 18 2011,05:49)Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 18 2011,10:40)Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 17 2011,01:12)John 1:1 does not say anything about “in the beginning was pre-existant Jesus, pirit.and pre-existant Jesus was with God, and pre-existant Jesus was God;” and John 1:14 does not say “Pre-existant Jesus became flesh and dwelt among us.”Hi…[Read more]

Paladin,Quote The fact that a verse is “hard of understanding” shows only that the Holy Spirit intended for it to. That is his tool for separating the serious student from the doctrinaire. I assume you mean it separates those that are truly led by their hunger and thirst for righteousness from those that are led by other desires and so I…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Very good Kerwin.  Now, what scripture is it that forbids Jesus from being the first of these sons of God? Quote Acts 13 King James Version (KJV)22And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart,…[Read more]

Paladin,Quote As for you telling me I cannot use certain scriptures in response to your questions because you have shown the “truth” of that scripture, I can only remind you that you can no longer use John 1:1,14 to prove the logos is Jesus Christ. Let's see how long that effects your doctrine of pre-existant Jesus. I have wrote to Mike and others…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 17 2011,14:04)Quote (david @ Sep. 17 2011,14:21)OK, I'm starting to get the idea that this is a main argument used to support the “kingdom of God is within people” idea.Here is why it is a bad argument:the holy spirit is not God's kingdom.An observant person would however see that the things of God and the relationship we have…[Read more]

David,Quote OK, I'm starting to get the idea that this is a main argument used to support the “kingdom of God is within people” idea.The kingdom of God is of the kingdom of the godly character and the character of God dwells in  those that obey all of Jesus' teachings.  Therefore the character of God is among those specific people which is why S…[Read more]

Mike,I see that your understanding is not mine as the unwritten context you bring to bear is not mine and therefore you see implication I do not.What does it mean when I state that there were a group of women near the cross, and John was among them?   I doubt you believe that John is one of their number, since you know he is a male.Your example…[Read more]

To Pierre, Mike, Irene, Gene, and anyone else interested,The Soul is treated as a part a man in Proverbs 11:17Quote Proverbs 11 King James Version (KJV)17The merciful man doeth good to his own soul(Nephesh): but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh.While in Proverbs 11:25 it is treated as the whole man.Quote Proverbs 11 King James Version…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 15 2011,18:22)Quote If you have not yet ontained the righteousness that is like God's then you should realize that you are at times decieved by Satan.  I am merely stating that Satan has pulled a quick one on you by hiding a poison pill in the teachings you have chosen to believe in.  So why be offended that I state Satan h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2011,05:02)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2011,23:20)I am glad we agree though I seem to have trouble getting Mike or Irene to understand my point that the child of the body of an individual is the same species as the sire.Kerwin,In what way are the angels “sons of God”?Mike,Why is Satan not reffered to as one of the sons of…[Read more]

Gene,Quote If God can destory “BOTH” Body and Soul in the GRAVE then that is the complete Man and the reason he can destory them “BOTH” in the Grave is becasue man can not exist as a Living Soul without a BodyThat is your understanding of the words of Jesus in Matthew 10:28 but your understanding makes Jesus words sound like nonsense.    Despite w…[Read more]

Paladin,Quote You are correct Kerwin, in asserting that Jesus is not the same “species” as God.I am glad we agree though I seem to have trouble getting Mike or Irene to understand my point that the child of the body of an individual is the same species as the sire.Quote The Gen 6 account of the sons of God went in unto the daughters of men and…[Read more]

To all,I see that some seem to be confusing two different non-corporeal elements of a human being because they are each called spirit in scripture at certain times.In both Hebrew and Greek the non-corporeal is spoken of as the wind.  Jesus compares the spirit of God to the wind with these words.Quote John 3:8King James Version (KJV)  8The wind b…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 15 2011,04:10)Quote QuoteKERWIN!  This is what your friend said too, and that is what we were also discussing….Jehovah, God the Most High God ALONE, His name ALONE….  I stress ALONE, because of Kathi believing Jehovah is the Compound Unity of Jesus and His Father….I believe that Jehovah is the one and only true God.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2011,06:58)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 12 2011,02:06)Thanks for sharing that Mike.Seems not only logical but also aligns with this scripture:1 Thessalonians 5:23And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.Many…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Please DIRECTLY answer my question, Kerwin.  CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE OR NOT?  Did John ever claim to have “come down from heaven”?  Did Jesus? I did answer your question by comparing John the Baptist and Jesus and illustrating where they differed on the three points I used to compare them.  I did not mention another difference and…[Read more]

Irene,Quote KERWIN!  This is what your friend said too, and that is what we were also discussing….Jehovah, God the Most High God ALONE, His name ALONE….  I stress ALONE, because of Kathi believing Jehovah is the Compound Unity of Jesus and His Father…. I believe that Jehovah is the one and only true God.  I question whether you have been de…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Okay then.  I agree that John the Baptiser did NOT come from above.  John was directed by the WORD OF GOD to go into the wilderness baptizing.  (Luke 3:2)  The word that came to him, and the baptism he gave, came from God.  But while he was sent by God, he HIMSELF did not personally come “DOWN FROM HEAVEN”.  Are we agreed so far? John th…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 12 2011,06:49)Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 12 2011,00:13)Sorry, I got that somewhat mixed up, the body without the Soul is death….The Soul is the Spirit then, right the breath of life, that goes back to God who gave it….But what happens when we get a new spirit?Are we a different person. I mean when I received the spirit of God, I was…[Read more]