Mike,Quote So it's okay if God created flawed human beings, but it's not okay if flawed human beings were created through Jesus? According to scripture God created mankind in such a way that he did not fall short of the glory of God but that mankind took it on themselves to go in search of many schemes.According to scripture those that walk…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Oct. 28 2011,05:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2011,13:32)Hi Frank,Welcome back!  Do you believe that the Messiah was a mere man only?KathiPeace greetings Kathi,Well, that all depends on what you mean by “mere”. Yahshua said that he was “a man” or “son of man” and “son of Yahweh”. Note that we also can become sons…[Read more]

Mike,Quote You complain about not having enough time to address all of my posts and points, but then spend a lot of time making a post like this – which doesn't even address the meat of my point. I am not sure of what the meat of your point is but my purpose is to seek God and what prioritize and what I write serves that purpose for me.  I use an…[Read more]

Rebellman,In my observation what pronoun is used is irrelevant, especially in the ancient common Greek language as it seems not to have pronouns that specifically refer to gender as is the case with English.   From what I can tell, at the novice level of that language I have obtained, the gender is determined by the gender of the noun it is…[Read more]

Rebellman,Quote Your quote above was directed to “terraricca” or Pierre. While I frequently find myself in disagreement with your opinions, I usually do understand what you're trying to say. This is not the case with Pierre as his English usage is atrocious and when combined with his total lack of understanding I find it nearly impossible to…[Read more]

Richard,Quote I thought I understood English (I've spoken it all my life and I got straight A's in English classes in school), but if you are speaking English, I guess I'm wrong. I am speaking the English but I am not necessary using the same definitions for the English words as the ones that are commonly used in the same situation.    For e…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 23 2011,22:01)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 18 2011,19:56)Mike,Quote No, we're not.  Paul not only says “ALL things” once, but TWICE.  There is no mention of “only new things”.  So to imply that is what is meant is to write your own version of 1:16.Nonsense!You are contradicting the very idea of only believers dwelling in Christ Je…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 23 2011,23:16)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2011,02:32)Pierre,Quote see you do it again you cut Paul letter in pieces extract what is convenient to you and scrap the rest  ,that is why you do not understand scriptures ,not that it is not available to you to understand it ,it is your concept to God’s word what is wrong ,you do no…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote see you do it again you cut Paul letter in pieces extract what is convenient to you and scrap the rest  ,that is why you do not understand scriptures ,not that it is not available to you to understand it ,it is your concept to God’s word what is wrong ,you do not believe in it the way it is written, this means if you where in Paul pr…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote you see I do not want to know what strong thinks ,I want to know what you understand in scriptures ,if I would be interested in Strong opinion I would get it from him,(book) I appealed to the authority of Strong’s definition that agrees with what has been revealed to me.  I did this since Strong’s has the advantage over me in know…[Read more]

Quote (rebellman @ Oct. 22 2011,08:06)Actually “manifestation” and “incarnation” are not synonyms. Incarnation is defined as: A person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality: “Rama was Vishnu's incarnation on earth”, and manifestation is defined as: 1. An event, action, or object that clearly shows or embodies something,…[Read more]

Rebellman,As threads get longer conversations tend to stray.   Currently we are discussing what is actually being taught about Jesus in Colossians 1.  Other scripture, insights gained from the common Greek language, and other tools to aid understanding are used in the conversation.I believe Jesus,  God, and the Holy Spirit are all ma…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote why do you mixing oranges and apples and declared them all either apples or oranges,in both cases you wrong, You are accusing me of applying a figure of speech to a situation in which it does not apply and yet you fail to provide evidence to back up your accusation.  This gives the impression that you have no scriptural evidence of…[Read more]

Pierre.Here is verse 17 split up into two clauses.First clause: He is before all things Second clause”   in him all things hold together.I addressed elements of the second clause in my post to Mike and compared it to what Jesus was asking for from God in John 17:23 and other verses.Quote John 17 New International Version (NIV)23 I in them and yo…[Read more]

Mike,Quote No, we're not.  Paul not only says “ALL things” once, but TWICE.  There is no mention of “only new things”.  So to imply that is what is meant is to write your own version of 1:16.Nonsense!You are contradicting the very idea of only believers dwelling in Christ Jesus with the teaching you hold to.I find such a teaching unclean.Why wo…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2011,05:08)KerwinGod calls the part of the each man that controls the  actions, thoughts, and emotions of the whole their spirit and that spirit falls short of God’s righteousness unless God transforms it by his power, just as he transformed earth into the body of Adam.  That is an act of creation because it is done by…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 18 2011,05:11)KerwinQuote Paul, like all of the other writers of the New Testament is teaching the new creation as the old creation was settled doctrine.  He is teaching the same thing in Colossians 1:16 as he is not teaching a new religion but instead taught the fulfillment of the one true religion that has been…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 17 2011,04:32)Kerwinit is also true with all true Christians ,because they belong to Christ and Gods kingdom ,and this world will make war to them for the two reasons that Christ was also killedPierre,That is what Jesus taught us.

Pierre,Quote the new creation is only true for men that comes to be changing their way into the will of God by following Christ ,and so only started after Christ dead , God calls the part of the each man that controls the  actions, thoughts, and emotions of the whole their spirit and that spirit falls short of God’s righteousness unless God tr…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I checked your Apostolic and Interlinear links, neither of which say what you claim they say. The Apostolic doesn't show which form the word is in from what I can tell, but renders it into English as “have been created”. And the interlinear lists the form as “perfect passive indicative”, and also renders it into English as “have been…[Read more]