To all;From what I understand; Gnosticism teaches that the material is flawed and one must gain enlightenment in order to escape it and become a spirit(non-material) being.

Ed J.;Do you believe Jesus is a spirit?

Quote (terraricca @ June 01 2012,20:06)kQuote John is teaching us of the two that are united; even the Word, conceived of God, and Jesus, conceived of Mary.were is that in scriptures???T;Quote Jesus, conceived of Mary.Luke 1:31King James Version (KJV)31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name…[Read more]

Barley;Quote Evidently, some early church fathers quoted Matthew 18:19 without the trinitarian formula in their quote. They must have had manuscripts which predated ours that did not have the “trinity come lately” formula in it.Interesting claim; do you have their words to support it?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 01 2012,04:44)Quote (kerwin @ May 30 2012,00:56)Provided the punctuation is correct and John is not speaking of the Only Begotten of God then he is speaking of the Word and not Jesus though the Word is doing all things through Jesus at that time.   John 1:30 applies the same words to Jesus Christ because the Word…[Read more]

Jammin;Quote 1 yes. but the bible says that Christ is God and LORD john 20.28 You state that Jesus is a God and a Lord that himself has the same God and Father as his brothers.    So you know that Jesus is not his own God and Lord; whom is to us is the only God; but he is one of the gods and lords that is in heaven or on earth; even the Chief O…[Read more]

T;Quote God spirit dwelled in all the righteous and his prophets of old1 Peter 1:11King James Version (KJV)11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.God spoke through the Spirit that was in them but the glory…[Read more]

To all;Matthew 3New International Version (NIV)3 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” 3 This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah:“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,‘Prepare the way for the Lord,    make straight paths for him.’”

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,00:52)Hi Ed,Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God): and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ), whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit)…[Read more]

Wakeup;Have you considered the possibility that worship is a poor translation?”proskuneó”Quote 4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, “towards” and kyneo, “to kiss”) – properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready “to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees” (DNTT); to “do obeisance” (BAGD).The KJV uses…[Read more]

Jammin;You are not addressing that:1) Jesus has the same God and Father as his brothers; and that God and Father is Yawheh.2) That human beings are Jesus' brothers.3) That Jehovah dwells in Jesus through the Spirit and Jesus dwells in Jehovah through the same Spirit.4) That there are many lords and many gods; both in heaven and on earth; yet to us…[Read more]

Mike;Quote I agree, as that is the ONLY logical scenario.  After all, we all know that Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God, and would naturally possess the glory of the only begotten of God. My reasoning may be flawed as John may have been speaking of the title; and not the One who would come to inherit it.Quote Here is where you run into…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2012,04:23)Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2012,11:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2012,04:34)Well, let's see, Kerwin:  Jesus, as God's only begotten Son, surely dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten, right?Who else did?Mike;I have no problem with claiming that the Word has a glory as of Jesus Christ; since that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2012,04:34)Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2012,16:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2012,03:45)Kerwin,I await your list of ALL who ever dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten.  My list includes only Jesus.  How about yours?Mike;According to the information I have collected Scripture does not explicitly say what you a…[Read more]

Jammin;I know what you want Thomas to mean but it is clear he does not mean it; as that interpretation sounds like the idea of a pagan God-Emperor and not the Word of God.   You are well aware that Jesus informs us that those that believe are his brothers and that he has the same God and Father as they do; and that God and Father is Jehovah.…[Read more]

Pierre;Quote I do not care that you disagree ,show scriptures why you disagree and so show truth for a changeIt is not explicitly written; so you must believe it is inferred. Your argument is not convincing; especially as Jesus made the effort to prove he was flesh and bone and not a spirit.

Quote (Wakeup @ May 29 2012,04:44)Quote (kerwin @ May 29 2012,08:28)Quote (Wakeup @ May 28 2012,17:39)Quote (kerwin @ April 05 2012,09:35)Nick,Here is selected quotes from the event.  How do you come up with the idea that Elijah went to anywhere but the heavens of God?2 Kings 2 King James Version (KJV)1And it came to pass, when the LORD would…[Read more]

Wakeup;I am not certain about women not being allowed to be witnesses; as two were indeed witnesses when they brought their case before Solomon to decide which was the mother of a child.Here is what one Rabbi states:Quote    Concerning Jewish religious teachers, fundamental to their view of life is the close relationship of body and soul, so t…[Read more]

To all;These may be what Pierre spoke of in another thread.Quote Where the Tetragrammaton occurs in Tanakh quotations, instead one finds a single Hebrew He (ה) except in one place where the word “ha-shem” (השם, the name) is spelled out. There are some interesting readings of Matthew in The Touchstone. Matt 12:37 “According to your words you…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 29 2012,04:13)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2012,14:53)Hi KW, Just a carnal librarian who quoted from an original copy of Mt 28. “baptise in MY NAME…” not in the name of any trinityMat 28;19does not show up in the Hebrew version of MathieuT;Are you speaking of the gospel of the Hebrews?