Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,06:53)KQuote I believe that the spirit of God is called God’s only begotten and is his creative force as well as being his spirit of love preexisted the existence of Jesus a human being, favored of God.  I believe Jesus inherited the title of only begotten when the Spirit came to dwell in him directly.   I bel…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2012,07:25)If the water and flames are symbolic, then perhaps the entire parable is symbolic.Mike,Souls can indeed be comforted or tormented and so that part is not symbolic.Scriptures tells us that Samuel's soul spoke when summoned by the witch and so that part is not symbolic though that particular conversation may…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 01 2012,06:02)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 31 2012,03:26)Jesus teaches of a rich but wicked man who went to a place of torment called Hades.Kerwin,Do you suppose the souls in Hades have flesh bodies?Mike,I suppose souls can be tormented, 2 Peter 2:8, and comforted Psalms 77:2, 94:19, Lamentations 1:16.The water and flame seem…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2012,06:20)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,00:35)If God has the body of an angel which is not created then he did not create all things.If God truly created ALL things, then God created HIMSELF – body or no body.  We must use our common sense here.Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,00:35)It is  written that the nation of I…[Read more]

T,You ask me to reveal Scriptures to you but you do not believe them; for if you did then you would not need them revealed to you as you would already know them.  My time is limited and I do not see why I use what time I have on going over something that the other person should already know.  Read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus; as my w…[Read more]

T,You give me too much credit.  What is true is true whether I convince you or not and what is untrue is untrue whether I convince you or not.Jesus teaches of a rich but wicked man who went to a place of torment called Hades.  He instructs us that Lazarus went to a place of the dead that is also a place of comfort; which he called Abraham's b…[Read more]

T,Jesus teaches of a place of torment for the wicked after the first death and calls that place Sheol/Hades.I am not yet certain that Abaddon is another name for that place of torment.I do know that Abaddon will lead what sounds like scorpion type demons out of an Abyss at the End of Days.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,05:03)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,22:22)Mike,The thing is that only created beings have bodies…………..Where is the scripture that teaches us what you claimed?  Matthew 18:10 (among many others) tells us that God DOES have a body.Btw, I'm still waiting for an answer:Do you understand that Jesus, who is “the…[Read more]

T,At this point I am investigating as I just recently learned of Abaddon. I do know that Jesus teaches of a place of torment after death.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 30 2012,06:33)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 29 2012,04:22)Mike,The exercise was about testing what you believe.And somehow, even with your odd translation, we still ended up with the same teaching, didn't we?    Mike,When you state that the definitions as given by certain experts are “odd” how do you think that makes you look.I u…[Read more]

T,The situation is that your teachings about Sheol/Hades and Abaddon/Tartarus are not in line with Jesus'.Jesus taught of a place of torment for those who died the first death.  From what I see you do not.  You call Gene on his mistaken belief that there is no demons while holding to your own untruth.  First remove the untruths from your own te…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,17:29)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:33)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:41)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)T,We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there.  It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.Abaddon, though means destruction.Know you mixing more stuf…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2012,17:33)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2012,04:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,06:38)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,18:21)Mike,My point is that the statements are the same.In other words, that whole thing was an exercise in futility for me, and the bottom line is that Phil 2 STILL teaches that Jesus was existing in the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,17:41)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 27 2012,21:07)T,We are taught that the soul of a person goes to Sheol but that it is not destroyed there.  It is destroyed in Gehenna, the lake of fire.Abaddon, though means destruction.Know you mixing more stuf ,and so now what is it that we were discussing T,Not really as Sheol/Hades…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2012,06:38)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2012,18:21)Mike,My point is that the statements are the same.In other words, that whole thing was an exercise in futility for me, and the bottom line is that Phil 2 STILL teaches that Jesus was existing in the form of God before being made into the likeness of a human being?Mike,The…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 27 2012,18:41)kerwin,do not put your own imagination to john's words.can you read in john 1.14 that john said God was in christ?? do you have any version that says that?yes or no?Jammin,I applied John's words to Jesus as he is the Child of God and John teaches how the life that is the Word fathers God's children. No…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,21:22)God does NOT consist of a person's body – rather – a person's body is created in God's image.Ed. J.Humanity was created in the image of God.Ecclesiastes 7:29King James Version (KJV)29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.Colossians 3:10King James…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,13:34)Hi Kerwin,Kangaroo Jack uses this definition of being to say “a rock” is a being…being: the qualities that constitute an existent thing God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,My statement is generic and therefore can cover a rock or even a wind.  I can confidently go one step further and…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 27 2012,14:09)ed,i do not have a problem with 2cor. do not put your own imagination to paul's wordsi want you to read your imagination in john 1.1-14can you read john said God was in Christ in john 1.1 and 1.14yes or no?Jammin,You are deceived about John's words as it is clear that Jesus received the light that is in the Word…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 27 2012,09:09)To ALL,God is: “The HolySpirit”.God is: NOT 'a person'.God is: NOT 'a being'.God is: “An Entity”.God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,God does exist therefore he has being. He is not a human person. His Spirit is the Holy Spirit.