T8,I believe that those whom either have Jehovah's Spirit or are credited with having it are called the children of God.

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,03:20)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2012,02:44)Mike,You believe that Jesus was telling his students to feel his flesh and bones and not telling them to touch him to prove he was physical and not non-physical.Ksins the body of Christ seems to the he died with ,what about the holes of the spear and the nails ,would those…[Read more]

Mike,You believe that Jesus was telling his students to feel his flesh and bones and not telling them to touch him to prove he was physical and not non-physical.

Mike,Quote But Kerwin's future tense theory simply doesn't match the context of the passage:John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”The bolded words above were also written in the aorist tense, yet it is clear from the context that, as usual, they should be rendered as a simple English past t…[Read more]

Mike,I have heard what net.note states and I have also heard the Prexistarians choice of translation of the the aorist infinitive middle in John 8:58. I have studied the matter and the aorist infinitive verb is simulated in English either as the became”, “came” or the infinitive “to become” as in John 1:12 and Mark 1:17 of the KJV. My claim is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 22 2012,18:59)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 22 2012,20:06)Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:21)Quote The teaching from Jesus was NOT, I am CURRENTLY with you, so you should know these things.   It was, I HAVE BEEN with you for such a long time that you should BY NOW know these things.  Kerwin, what was Jesus saying?  (If we set as…[Read more]

To all,I have coursework to do that I am putting off, so I will hopefully have less time here and more time for it. I will try to post at least a little.

Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2012,02:21)Quote The teaching from Jesus was NOT, I am CURRENTLY with you, so you should know these things.   It was, I HAVE BEEN with you for such a long time that you should BY NOW know these things.  Kerwin, what was Jesus saying?  (If we set aside the secret message which may or may not be contained within, what was he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 21 2012,01:14)Kerwin,That is all very nice and fine.  It is clear that there is no end to the lengths to which you will go to keep 8:58 from teaching what it SO OBVIOUSLY teaches.Tell me……………  does rendering “ego eimi” in John 14:9 as “I have been” change the teaching?  Does it alter anything?  Or, better yet…[Read more]

Mike,I unintentional mislabeled the verb as a present continuous.  It is instead a present indicative.The present indicative is used in English as it is used in Ancient Greek; though there may be some differences in its applications. Translators have literally translated it a number of times, including:Matthew 28:20King James Version (KJV)20…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2012,15:48)If Paul says that for us it is first to the physical then spiritual, then this is the hope that I have. Redemption from this body of death to a body that doesn't compel me to sin, but is as perfect as the spirit that we are born of.T8,Paul writes:Romans 8:11King James Version (KJV)11 But if the Spirit of him that…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2012,14:40)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2012,22:06)“Touch me and see” is clearly a test.But why is this a precedent to all angels and the son for all time?It isn't.Jesus had not yet gone to the Father.He was raised up, but only to the Earth. He had yet to go to Heaven.T8,Technically his students thought he was a ghost; but Scripture…[Read more]

T8,It is my understanding that the Paradise, and the tree therein, is presently located in the third heaven. From reading the account in Genesis I understand the Garden, and the tree of life within, to be both physical and spiritual in nature. Neither their physical or spiritual qualities are of this world.The sons of God singing and shouting…[Read more]

Mike,Quote What about the cheruim with the flaming swords who guard the way to the tree of life? In reading it I understand by implications that the angels and their wondrous swords are a physical threat Quote Are you aware of any physical, man-sized being that donkeys can see and humans can't?God hides whatever he chooses from those he chooses…[Read more]

T,Quote THE TRUTH OF WHAT HE SAID IS THAT SPIRIT BEINGS ” DO NOT HAVE FLESH AND BLOOD WITH BONES,Did the angels that visited Lot have flesh and bones? If not did the have physical bodies that they were able to eat and touch Lot?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2012,22:31)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2012,18:47)It could be instead, as you seem to surmise, that the angel used his literal and material sword and not his wondrous powers.And therein is my point, Kerwin.  For the angel's literal sword to be a weapon – or even a threat – it must be able to “touch” (do harm to) a human…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 15 2012,00:00)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2012,16:55)Mike,I am saying that when properly used the meaning of Godhead is the same as the words “theios”, “theiotes”, or “theotes”.Kerwin,It seems obvious to me that you can't find any current scholarly support for the translation of “Godhead” in those three KJV verses – or you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2012,22:31)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 14 2012,18:47)It could be instead, as you seem to surmise, that the angel used his literal and material sword and not his wondrous powers.And therein is my point, Kerwin.  For the angel's literal sword to be a weapon – or even a threat – it must be able to “touch” (do harm to) a human…[Read more]

T,You already believe things Scripture does not say, as you speak of a “ectoplasmic” body which is not taught in Scripture.I can confidently attest that Jehovah does not transform:1} Soul to flesh2} Spirit to fleshAs doing so would be evil and he does not do evil.You speculate that the Son had an “ectoplasmic” body, as opposed to being a naked…[Read more]

T,You cannot touch a spirit because it is non-material and so lacks flesh and bone.  It is the same reason it cannot eat.”Flesh and bone” is a way of speaking, which refers to the pre-fallen human body and relationship, Genesis 2:23.  On the other hand, “Flesh and blood” refers to the mortal body as Cain's blood cried from the ground. Genesis 4…[Read more]