Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2012,03:27)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2012,17:13)I support the translation-interpretation that Jesus teaches us that “before Abraham is to become”; I am the one” because it is in harmony with the ideas that:1} Jesus is greater than Abraham2} Jesus is the Seed by which Abraham has now become the father of many nations of…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 30 2012,09:38)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2012,07:20)T,You seem not to understand what conceived means? It is the female's version of sired.  It does not harmonize with your teaching and neither does Jesus being twelve years old and then about thirty years old.  These ideas are found in Scripture but you have to look and b…[Read more]

T,You seem not to understand what conceived means? It is the female's version of sired. It does not harmonize with your teaching and neither does Jesus being twelve years old and then about thirty years old. These ideas are found in Scripture but you have to look and believe.

T,Jesus was twelve years old when he was accidentally left behind at the Temple.  He was about thirty years old when his ministry started.  These two facts are clear from Scripture.He was sent from our Father, who is in heaven, and therefore came down from heaven. His Spirit comes from above for it is Jehovah's Spirit; therefore he is from a…[Read more]

T8,Quote “Before Abraham was I am” said Jesus.The Ancient Greek does not say that since it has no past tense and modern English has no aorist tense. The Preexistantarian translators thus translated their understanding of the ideas to modern English.I do believe that using the present tense as a historic present does allow for your understanding…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 29 2012,06:12)kQuote I am building my conversation on so you do now believe you are God and have the soul of God I am glad you building but tell me how does have a PANTHING SOUL AND PLEASE SHOW ME A COPY OF VERSE 42T,It is not verse 42 it is chapter 42 verse 1.  The KJV convention in the quote I used is to start a chapter…[Read more]

T,I am building my conversation on Psalms 42:1, which are the words of a worthy man and which do mention “soul”Psalm 42:1King James Version (KJV)1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.From those words and from Matthew 5:6 as well as John 3:19 I can determine the soul of a worth man hungers and thirst for…[Read more]

Mike,”I was before Abraham became” is the best way in English to express the idea you think is in John 8:58.    The situation is the Greek does not support that translation though I have heard of a translation that does it anyways.The historic present argument is your best choice and “I am” is a better choice than “I have been” because the later l…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2012,07:52)They are not clothed with FLESH AND BONES, Kerwin.  Beyond that, you are just speculating.Paul said that God would not leave the elect naked, even as resurrected spirit beings.  He would clothe us, not with flesh and bone, but with a spiritual tent.Mike,There are no resurrected spirit beings but instead t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2012,08:36)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2012,05:07)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 25 2012,03:20)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2012,02:44)Mike,You believe that Jesus was telling his students to feel his flesh and bones and not telling them to touch him to prove he was physical and not non-physical.Ksins the body of Christ seems to the he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2012,04:47)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2012,14:44)Mike,You believe that Jesus was telling his students to feel his flesh and bones and not telling them to touch him to prove he was physical and not non-physical.I believe just what it says, Kerwin.  Jesus told them to touch him and see that he had flesh and bones, things…[Read more]

T,The soul that pants after God is worthy while the soul that does not is not worthy.The soul that is worthy struggles against the spirit of humanity as the human spirit fall short of God's glory.The soul that is unworthy does not struggle against the spirit of humanity as they have in mind the things of man, and not of God.Anyone who sins is a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2012,02:32)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,02:37)Mike,I have read some more of what you wrote about John 14:9 and the perfect tense there.  Perhaps it ties into the point you are attempting to make on John:56-58.Kerwin,All I want you to realize is that you would have never even given “Before Abraham came into being” a…[Read more]

Mike,I have read some more of what you wrote about John 14:9 and the perfect tense there. Perhaps it ties into the point you are attempting to make on John:56-58.

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,10:47)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2012,09:52)T,”so panteth my soul after thee, O God.” is not a characteristic of a recording device.KIs it How???T,It is not but it is the characteristic of a soul.  That is why I stated soul's either love righteousness or love darkness.  The only recording device I know of is J…[Read more]

T,”so panteth my soul after thee, O God.” is not a characteristic of a recording device.

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2012,01:46)kQuote It is a human soul that either hungers for righteousness or loves darknesswhat you mean by that ?T,Psalm 42:1King James Version (KJV)42 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.Matthew 5:6King James Version (KJV)6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after…[Read more]

To all,Jehovah created us all; so what part of us did not originally come from God?It is a human soul that either hungers for righteousness or loves darkness.  A human first becomes a living soul when Jehovah breaths the breath into him.  Is it a random chance that one pants for the Water of Christ while the other the corrupted water of humanity o…[Read more]

Mike,Abraham believed Jehovah that through his seed he would become the father of many nations. That promise was of his seed through the faith that brings righteousness and not of his seed through the Law, Romans 4:11-14. Jesus knew this and spoke of it first in John 8:39. He then followed up in verses 56 and 58. The words of the Jews, no…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 25 2012,05:26)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 19 2012,23:02)There was two lines at time and one was Cain's and Eve explicitly called him “a man”, Genesis 4:1 and Scripture starts his bloodline with him, Genesis 4:17. The second line is Seth's which begins with God creating mankind, who he called Adam, Genesis '5:1.God created adam, male and…[Read more]