Mike,The prophets came before Jesus. The apostles came afterwards. You are looking at time and not function. Peter addresses function and not time. 1 Peter 2:4-7King James Version (KJV)4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2013,01:36)Mike,Quote What exactly would fall into the class “god”, in your opinion?  Is God's Holy Spirit a god?  Are the spoken words of God “gods”?Or does it seem much more likely that a BEING, who was also in the “god class”, was with “THE god” in the beginning?The last I head elohim can even refer to holy items.   I be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,05:41)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,13:36)Mike,Quote What exactly would fall into the class “god”, in your opinion?  Is God's Holy Spirit a god?  Are the spoken words of God “gods”?Or does it seem much more likely that a BEING, who was also in the “god class”, was with “THE god” in the beginning?The last I head e…[Read more]

LU,Jesus is the offspring of Jesse, the shoot that comes out of the stump of Jesse.  The stump that is rooted in Yawheh.  Jesus is the root of Jesse, the corner stone that is laid in Zion.  The foundation stones of the prophets were laid first.  Jesus, the cornerstone was laid next,  the foundation stones of the apostles third, and the rest of t…[Read more]

To all,A better instruction.Matthew 7:5King James Version (KJV)5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

T8,Some of what you posted is false and comes from either a dishonest or ignorant source.  There is no evidence that I have heard of that Mithra, in any of his various incarnations, was either born on December 25 or had 12 apostles.  He was born of a rock and not a virgin.That source is the movie.Carl Sagon's Contact and other media has inspired a…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 19 2013,19:46)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,00:07)Quote (Colter @ Mar. 18 2013,23:17)Kerwin,I sense that your definition of progressive is the one Rush would use in current sociopolitical usage in America. To me The term progressive was set by Jesus who established the bar at “love one another the way I have loved you”The term…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,09:24)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,16:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,21:02)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,01:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,17:52)This 'article theology' argument falls flat on its back for two reasons:1. It is inconsistent since there are two other verses in John 1 alone that have the word 'God'…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,10:17)Hi Kerwin,I found that some words for 'root' can also be translated as 'shoot' but not in Isa 11. The 'roots' are the support of the stump, not a branch coming from the stump. Likewise,the 'branch' coming from the stump is not the 'roots' of the stump. Those are two different plant parts. One as the foundation…[Read more]

Mike,Quote What exactly would fall into the class “god”, in your opinion?  Is God's Holy Spirit a god?  Are the spoken words of God “gods”?Or does it seem much more likely that a BEING, who was also in the “god class”, was with “THE god” in the beginning?The last I head elohim can even refer to holy items.   I believe theos is the same way. Quote [Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,07:01)Kerwin,9th post on page 4, please.Mike,I will try to get to it but I believe I answered it elsewhere in the not too distant past.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,06:49)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,07:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,08:44)(2)  He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos. 2)  This part tells me that Origen believes “THE theos” of part b is the “uncreated cause of all t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 20 2013,03:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,02:36)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,07:38)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2013,15:35)To all,Isaiah 11:10 (King James Version)10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.KJV…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 20 2013,08:46)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,06:23)Neither root or foundation were stated to be synonyms of first.  If you desire to conclude they are then find a definition or synonym to make your case.From Dictionary.com:root Definition: base, core Synonyms: basis, cause, foundation, origin, seed, starting pointAre those…[Read more]

Wakeup,I know enough about Hinduism to point out they are Trinitarians that believe in incarnations. They would have no trouble adapting Jesus to their religion as Trinitarianism parallels it in some ways.The Hindus worship God, but not in knowledge. They are said to be pagans as they broke off from the vine long ago.Jesus means Zeus saves. You…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,21:02)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,01:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,17:52)This 'article theology' argument falls flat on its back for two reasons:1. It is inconsistent since there are two other verses in John 1 alone that have the word 'God' in them but NO ARTICLE and they refer to God who is unseen.2. The article…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,02:36)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,07:38)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2013,15:35)To all,Isaiah 11:10 (King James Version)10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.KJV states “a root” not “the root” in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 19 2013,20:48)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,22:59)Wakeup,Allah is just the Arab word for the God.  It is used by certain sects of Muslims, Christians, and Jews.Kerwin.You are agreeing with the sda teachings.Do you also agree with the book of allah?If the worshippers of allah followed the scriptures,then I also will agree with…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,13:43)We first learn about Enoch in Genesis 5 but it leaves us with questions. Hebrews 11 has the answers and Jude quotes Enoch! How did Jude come to know the words of Enoch? Certainly not oral tradition. The most likely answer is The Book of Enoch.This book is not only quoted by Jude either, but also James the natural…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,08:44)(2)  He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos. 2)  This part tells me that Origen believes “THE theos” of part b is the “uncreated cause of all things”, while “the Word” is NOT. Kerwin, do you agree with Origen's a…[Read more]