ED J* We are because YHVH always is.* There is nothing, even vacuum, that can exist where YHVH is not.* For all intent and purposes YHVH is existence.* In this way YHVH is everywhere though he chose to place his seat in heaven.Yet at the same time YHVH lives in certain creations via his Spirit.Jesus is a human being who entered heaven in body, not…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,02:23).Quote The answer to the question “Does Jesus have all of God's characteristics” is no he does not. Kerwin: John 17:10And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.Hebrews 1:2n these days hath spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed HEIR OF ALL THINGS by whom also he made the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 19 2013,04:15)Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,11:07)Jesus owns the flesh body eternally!But what do you say about these facts that are taught in scripture?1) It is written that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.2) It is written that there is a physical body and then a spiritual and that the physical is…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 19 2013,00:53)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,22:23)Quote (terraricca @ May 18 2013,18:11)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,07:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,05:37)Yes Kerwin.  He was seen ascending on the clouds.  He will return the same way, ie:  being seen coming on the clouds.Neither of these say anything about Jesus being th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 17 2013,11:19)Hmmm….let's count:1. the only true God2. Jesus Christ, the only Begotten GodThat's two!LU,”only begotten” is a relationship between God and the Son being spoken of.”god” is a word with many definitions.So you are claiming Jesus is some meaning of god that has a some type of begotten relationship to the one…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 18 2013,12:58)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,12:54)To all,Jesus' characteristics are not God's characteristics which means he is not God.Hebrews makes the case Jesus is not an angel which means he is not an an angel.Michael is an angel and Jesus is not an angel which means he is not Michael.Scripture declares he was and is a man which…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 18 2013,11:27)Scripture says that our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like his.Paul says that there is a physical and then a spiritual and that the physical is first.T8,Actually translators with their bias wrote that.  It is a Gnostic translation.Paul says that there is a soulish and then a spiritual and that the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 18 2013,10:15)Why do you think he will be flesh when he returns?  Do you think he is flesh now, in heaven?David,His body is same body Adam and Eve had when they were created, not the body they had after the fall. Scripture states the pre-fall body was flesh and bone. Scripture also attests Jesus gave evidence his resurrected…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 18 2013,18:11)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2013,07:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,05:37)Yes Kerwin.  He was seen ascending on the clouds.  He will return the same way, ie:  being seen coming on the clouds.Neither of these say anything about Jesus being the only flesh being in a heaven full of spirit beings.  In fact, the ver…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,05:37)Yes Kerwin.  He was seen ascending on the clouds.  He will return the same way, ie:  being seen coming on the clouds.Neither of these say anything about Jesus being the only flesh being in a heaven full of spirit beings.  In fact, the very idea of that is absurd, if you ask me.Mike,He was flesh when he asc…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,07:21)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,18:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,06:00)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,14:31): a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or modelIs there a word missing here?Mike,Not of my making as far as I can tell.It seems to be a definition of some word…………[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,07:24)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,18:55)Thomas was not addressing Jesus he was answering him and speaking to him.Isn't that what the word “address” means?  “Answering” and “speaking to”?Mike,You address someone when you speak to them. You answer someone when you speak to them in response to their words.So…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,07:29)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,18:43)I do know he was responding to both the situation and Jesus' words as well as speaking to Jesus.  An expression of faith seems to fit those things.Okay, but let's look at it from the other angle:  What scripture would prohibit Thomas from simply addressing Jesus as his Lord a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,05:51)Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2013,23:57)Peter tells Jesus who he is with the words “you are”.In what context?  Surely Peter wouldn't have unexpectedly seen Jesus on a street corner and said, YOU ARE my Lord!  He more than likely would have just said, My Lord!Mike,”My Lord” is a form of address just like Rabboni. T…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,06:00)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,14:31): a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or modelIs there a word missing here?Mike,Not of my making as far as I can tell.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,05:59)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,14:17)As for this conversation I have used a few examples to demonstrate that when a person is either responding to an event or another person's words and saying “my Lord and my God” does not mean they are calling the person they are speaking to or the event “my Lord and my…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,04:57)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2013,15:49)1 Corinthians 2:11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?Kerwin,Is the spirit of a man the son of that man?Mike,Are you aware you are asking if the relationship of a man's spirit to a man is in some aspect the same as a son to his father?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2013,04:46)Quote (carmel @ May 17 2013,14:13)This Jesus who is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come, as you have seen him going into heaven. THEREFORE IN FLESH FORM SINCE HE WAS   SEEN GOING UP TO HEAVEN!Charles, couldn't the statement “he will return the same way he left” mean that he left on the clouds, and…[Read more]

To all,Jesus' characteristics are not God's characteristics which means he is not God.Hebrews makes the case Jesus is not an angel which means he is not an an angel.Michael is an angel and Jesus is not an angel which means he is not Michael.Scripture declares he was and is a man which means he was and is a man.

carmel,Quote All matter was spirit at one stage!Before the beginning there was no time, no earth, no heaven, no light, and nothing else that has been created. Then God created both the heavens and the earth from nothing by his Utterance and through his Spirit. Matter/Energy and its heavenly counterpart was originally created from nothing.…[Read more]