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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Terrarica,

    Addressing t8 as @t8 is more likely to get his attention as it lets him know he is being notified. This post will serve that purpose since I used it.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? 9 years, 11 months ago

    t8,

    and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

    Then Christ must be the Law of Moses for that is the Spiritual food and drink they ate according to Scripture.

    Of course we should read the whole sentence and even that might be best to read in context.

    1 Corinthians…

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    At theories is closer to the truth of what they are.

    It may instead be a fact but I am never sure whether I fail to see something or not.

    The bottom line is that you fail to see where your hypothesis tests false.

    Luke 4:18-19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to…

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    JESUS NEVER did any mircales till after he recieved the ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD.

    Isaiah 55:10-11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    10
    For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven,
    and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth,
    and maketh it bring forth and bud,
    that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the…

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Ed,

    Hi Kerwin,

    Are you putting forth your own ideas again?
    The bible calls Jesus our advocate.

    The AV of the KJV calls the Advocate Comforter. Jesus is one Comforter and the Spirit of God is a second one. (John 14:16) The same base Koine Greek word is translated to advocate in reference to Jesus in 1 John 2:1 in the AV of the KJV.

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    t8,

    The Hebrew language version of Genesis 6:4 and the translation from it you quote does not support the idea angels mated with humans as sons of God can be human beings as testified in both old and new testaments. The title also belongs to the angels of God so it is confusing.

    The line of Seth is the chosen line and he and his children are…[Read more]

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    t8,

    If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

    It does not say:

    If we say that we do not sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

    But some still read those words into it.

    Instead later he states

    1 John 2:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    2 My little children, these…

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    Was the law designed to be ineffectual?

    It accomplished its goal though no man could live by it for it was dependent on man doing Spiritual works through their own effort. (Galatians 3:10-12)

    So it was powerless to bring humanity to righteous of God for that can only be obtained faith that Jesus is the Christ.

    Jesus, being the Christ, is…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    Knowledge is not power and so cannot successfully overcome the flesh.

    That is why it is written:

    Romans 8:3-4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the…

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    Without the Spirit it is impossible to obey the righteous requirements of the Law, which is why animal sacrifice was written in the Law. Animal sacrifices are not part of the Law but a symbol of things to come. (Colossians 2:16-17)

    That is also why Jesus told the Jews he would free them from bondage to sin. He also stated anyone that…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    There is no law against doing what is right.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    The Law was a schoolteacher. (Galatians 3:24-25)

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    So according to you passages from Scripture that are inconvenient for your chosen doctrine are “dogmatic”. That is not being Spiritual.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    The Law is Spiritual and so can only be upheld by those that live by the Spirit. That is why it made allowances for those without the Spirit in the form of sacrifices. Those sacrifices are symbol of what would be and now is.

    Elisha was anointed to preach God’s words and to do miracles but he did not receive the Spirit as an advocate…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    Yes he was and he never sinned.

    That is no proof of having the Spirit.

    If you truly believe that hen you must not believe that will know them by their fruit.

    Either that or that he was not tempted even as other human beings.

    Gene believes the later.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Where is the written evidence?

    When was he first tempted and how?

    Assuming you have been tempted as common to humanity, when were you first tempted?

    Jesus was tempted as you are.

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    AndrewAD,

    It is a warning, not a threat, and all Christians are to watch themselves that they not sin.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Nick,

    He bore the fruit of the Spirit from the time he was first tempted.

    It is your speculation that he was born of Spirit at the Jordon as there is nothing written to confirm that and he bore the fruit of the Spirit before that time.

    Gene thinks he was kept from sinning by God til the Jordon but that idea is at odds with the idea he was…[Read more]

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    david,

    There is nothing that states animals do not sin and the fact bestial means sin seems to contradict that premise.

    Jude 10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

    2 Peter 2:12Authorized (King…

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 9 years, 11 months ago

    Danny,

    He is the son of God in the same way others are for like them he was fathered by the Spirit of God. (Galatians 4:6 and Romans 8:15)

    He is the Author of our faith for he was first human to become the son of God by God giving him the Spirit of God. That us why we are instructed to follow him.

    He is the Finisher of our faith mediating…[Read more]

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