T,Yes, I agree that God's utterances is the image of God and Jesus is the result of the that utterance made flesh.

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 21 2013,07:49)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,15:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,06:17)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2013,15:24)Jammin,I already did as you requested and you have failed to prove that the clause “the word is God” does not mean the word and God share the characteristic of being divine.Kerwin,What if it said, “and the…[Read more]

David,I found this quote on a forum and if a true quote then those scholars are not really saying anything different than can be derived by the translations of some.Quote “We propose that the best way to take the indefinite article in John 1:1c is as an attempt by the Copts to interpret the anarthrous θε?ς descriptively/qualitatively. As a result,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,08:27)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,10:41)Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,04:48)Quote A certain scholar has recently advanced the hypothesis that the indefinite article as used in John 1:1 on this Coptic language translation has a “qualitative meaning” as if saying the word was a (one) theos.–kerwinWas it WJ?He's not really…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 21 2013,07:54)kerwin,ill repeat what i said. the version said the Word was God. the version also said the Word was divine BUT NO VERSION SAYS GOD IS LIKE HIS WORD IN JOHN1.1you said GOD is like his word. now im asking you where can you find that in john 1.1.we are now at page 1047 but i  still get no answer from you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 21 2013,03:18)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,17:39)………but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation. For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes'…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,11:26)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,10:45)Wakeup,Another passage with a hidden meaning though it simple to see what it means if you are seeking God's righteousness and kingdom.  Those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit will not see death.Kerwin.Labour not for the meat which perish.All seem to be hidden from…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,10:53)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,11:00)Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,04:28)Kerwin.Please explain these scriptures you quoted?If you can.Revelation 12:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,04:48)Quote A certain scholar has recently advanced the hypothesis that the indefinite article as used in John 1:1 on this Coptic language translation has a “qualitative meaning” as if saying the word was a (one) theos.–kerwinWas it WJ?He's not really a scholar. :-)So, the father is “God” and the word is “a one god,”…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,06:38)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2013,22:19)I don't know but I do know that it is unsound to use the word “all” unless you know “all” languages used during that age.Kerwin,Unless you actually know of another language of that time period that DID use an indefinite article, and into which the NT was translated – then…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,06:17)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2013,15:24)Jammin,I already did as you requested and you have failed to prove that the clause “the word is God” does not mean the word and God share the characteristic of being divine.Kerwin,What if it said, “and the Word was Abraham Lincoln”?Would you believe that the Word actually…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,04:28)Kerwin.Please explain these scriptures you quoted?If you can.Revelation 12:6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.Revelation 12:14Authorized (King James)…[Read more]

Wakeup,Another passage with a hidden meaning though it simple to see what it means if you are seeking God's righteousness and kingdom. Those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit will not see death.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 20 2013,02:00)Kerwin,you said;Quote I have seen where the NIV sticks to the Hebrew Masoretic text even when traditional translation favor the various Koine Greek manuscripts that are worded in accordance to more traditional translations.What I have seen leads me to think it may be a translation choice in that they are what…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 19 2013,05:25)Kerwin,Which manuscript doe the NIV use and what are the Hebrew words used in that manuscript. Are they different Hebrew words than the manuscript used for the NASB?  I am not able to locate anything one way or another in the time I have.  English title.  The AJKV does the same with Yawheh Elohim.LU,I have se…[Read more]

Charles,According to Scripture humanity first became a living soul when the breath of life entered his body, Genesis 2:7.  It also tells us that even if the body dies the soul survives for when Rebecca died he soul left he body, Genesis 35:18.  Paul tells us that without our body we are naked and Rebecca's soul was without her body, 2 C…[Read more]

Journey,Quote We say God preserved his Word for us, which means that there is only ONE translation, in the ONE BOOK that is the Pure Word of God, but you and many say that ALL TRANSLATIONS ARE CORRUPT.All the English translations are mixture of good and bad translations. I strive interpret whatever they say so that it is true even if it is a bad…[Read more]

Journey,Quote The Words are in the scriptures.  This is what we follow and this is what we teach.Do you understand what God means when he says that there are some who diligently study Scriptures because they think salvation is there but they do not come to his Son?I ask because your words make it sound like you are one of those that believe…[Read more]

David.Your wrote:Quote But which of those languages (like English) have an indefinite article?NONE.  I do understand that even having the “a” in there doesn't necessarily mean they meant “a god', but may have meant something more like divine or godlike.  All we know is that they, who were translating their John 1:1 did so while koine Greek was s…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 19 2013,04:21)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,08:46)Wakeup,God uses the tools he chooses to whether or not he has to.  If he want to whisper in someones ear then I am not fool enough to say no.He certainly must do something as no one can go to Jesus unless God draws them no matter how much they read Scripture.If God chooses…[Read more]