Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:47)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,12:02)<!–QuoteBegin–mikeboll+64Do you think Jesus is asking to be glorified IN GOD'S PRESENCE when he says, ?Mike,No, It did not come to me that Jesus was to be glorified in God's literal presence……Interesting.   What about John 17:24?  It is part of the same passage.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:52)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,12:34)This allows him to give a person a “gift” before the person comes to exist.But it doesn't allow that person to say they WERE HAVING that gift before they actually had it.Mike,Actually it does as it is theirs and none others.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:37)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,11:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,06:29)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 23 2013,18:15)Mike,Do you believe the Law of Moses is the word of God?Yes.  But it is not the ONLY thing called “the word of God”, right?Why do you ask?Mike,I asked because I was wondering why you do not realize…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 26 2013,05:46)KerwinYou said new heaven and new earth but i cnt read that in jn1:1-3 . That is your opinion. I gave you a word for word verse that jn1:1 speaks about cristo but you dnt want to accept. It is very obvious that your belief is false.Jammin,All things were are made were made by the word of God just as Genesis…[Read more]

T,Jesus' soul went to Hades when he fell asleep.  Stephen's did as well as it is the common destination of the souls of the dead.Acts 2:27American Standard Version (ASV)27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 26 2013,04:52)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:23)Journey, Wakeup, and anyone else that is concerned,Quote Paul was not sure when telling the story if this man was “in the body, or out of the body” as it was over 14 years ago for him.That is an untruth told among men.  The man was in Christ when it occurred and Paul was not…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 26 2013,05:08)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:59)Journey,Quote …So this man who had a vision and was taken up to the third heaven, paradise, must of had his spirit taken into “the future”.  He heard a man speak words to bad to utter, so if it's in the 1000 year time frame, he must of heard “Gog” speaking at the end of th…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 26 2013,04:52)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,04:23)Journey, Wakeup, and anyone else that is concerned,Quote Paul was not sure when telling the story if this man was “in the body, or out of the body” as it was over 14 years ago for him.That is an untruth told among men.  The man was in Christ when it occurred and Paul was not…[Read more]

T,The account of Steven being stoned does not fulfill the requirements of the even of a man that is caught up into heaven. Steve died and soul went to Sheol. A place that is also known as Hades an Hell.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:14)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55)Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55)Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach. MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of…[Read more]

T,Paul stated he did not know whether the man went in body or out of body and you are stating he went out of body. You show more knowledge of the event than Paul.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,01:57)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,11:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02)Well, there ya go.  You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right?  You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.  Kerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Je…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,01:39)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,23:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02)Well, there ya go.  You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right?  You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.  Kwerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus , but can pr…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 26 2013,00:46)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:10)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2013,13:01)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,09:38)Journey,Paul speaks of it.2 Corinthians 12:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I…[Read more]

Jammin,A thought for thought translation is more subject to bias than a word for word translation. It lacks creditability unless I believe the experts were carried along by the Spirit as they translated.Matthew Henry's reasoning depends on either assumptions or arguments he made elsewhere. He is not here to cross examine and you seem to lack his…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2013,13:01)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,09:38)Journey,Paul speaks of it.2 Corinthians 12:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.KThat…[Read more]

Journey,Quote …So this man who had a vision and was taken up to the third heaven, paradise, must of had his spirit taken into “the future”. He heard a man speak words to bad to utter, so if it's in the 1000 year time frame, he must of heard “Gog” speaking at the end of the thousand years (Israel still in paradise period) rounding up his a…[Read more]

Journey,Quote Man has always referred to the Garden of Eden as “Paradise”, and I can't find much in scripture to indicate this, except for this one;You support the idea that Eden is called Paradise in Scripture but you did not test if that word paradise is reserved to Eden or if it is used for other places.

Journey,Quote The man he knew was alive and obviously given a vision, but would not say what he saw, only that he was caught up to the “third heaven” and also called this third heaven “paradise”.  We also know that whatever this man heard, was not lawful to be repeated.  This part I agree with.  An addition is that Paul expressed his lack of kn…[Read more]