Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,07:18)Kerwin,1.  It IS a guess if the words actually say “FLESH    AND    BLOOD” – but they translate those words as “mortal body”.2.  You once again mention these “cases” where “flesh and blood” undeniably mean “mortal body”.  I've asked for one scripture in which that is the case.Please present that (first…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 08 2014,10:35)kQuote What does it mean to say that Jesus speaks and does the word? speaks the word; he is given instructions to those that are given to him,does the word ; this means, he accomplishes all the prophecies written about him,the son of God and the messiah and fulfill those written words ,T,What you wrote sounds…[Read more]

Mike,About the phrase, “and fall like princes” in Psalms 82. I believe the word “princes” can be translated angels. I also believe is the children of Israel and not angels that are being told if they continue to disobey they will fall like the angels who disobeyed long before. I do not believe angels that were disobeying at the time Psalms 82…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 08 2014,02:38)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,02:01)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 07 2014,23:49)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,01:45)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2014,09:21)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,09:09)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2014,06:53)Kwrong analogy; see it this way ;my father lives in Europe and now i say father give me…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 07 2014,08:24)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,15:38)Psalm 82:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 How long will ye judge unjustly,and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.He is speaking of the same gods in verse 8.Not at all.The words in red are God's words, and the words in blue are the psalmist's own words:82 1 God…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 07 2014,23:49)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,01:45)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2014,09:21)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,09:09)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2014,06:53)Kwrong analogy; see it this way ;my father lives in Europe and now i say father give me back my room i had BEFORE I LEFT ,THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE…[Read more]

Gene,Quote Kerwin……… Yes GOD is a RESERVIEd WORD (FOR US THAT IS), You are throwing out all the others scriptures that go against those concepts  for (US) as if they are not in the scriptures.In your mind you are saying of God is only the source of all good things and the only one worthy to be worshiped.   The truth is that even in English i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 07 2014,07:08)Kittel's Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says:The noun form is here used, not the adjectival theios, which would be required to simply classify the Word as “god-like.”“Divine” is also an adjective, which seems to be ruled out by the above information.You seem to be okay with “a god” also, so let's…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 07 2014,08:03)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,16:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,08:23)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2013,14:56)As for my beliefs; then yes, a flesh, bone, and blood can enter heaven.1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 07 2014,08:52)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,16:14)I think you have it to some point with your answer but in addition Jesus and the word of God both command angels and serve as a mediator between Jehovah and mankind.Yes, God's high-ranking SPOKESMAN can give commands to angels.  That is ONE use of the word “logos” – as the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,07:13)In this thread, I'd like to discuss John 1, verse by verse, with Kerwin.  Please don't post in this thread unless you are Kerwin or Mike…….. at least not until we open the thread up to all.John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was A god or THE God.Kerwin, are we…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2014,08:20)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,08:37)Wakeup,I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed.  I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source.  That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.  I agree that the Sun is ea…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,08:23)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2013,14:56)As for my beliefs; then yes, a flesh, bone, and blood can enter heaven.1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God…….Hmmmm………..  You are at odds with scripture, Kerwin.Mike,You are at odds with…[Read more]

Mike,Quote The light of the world was coming into the world. Who is “the light of the world”, KerwinYou seem to be avoiding addressing the use of different verb tenses which I attempted to address earlier. I choose to use the NIV instead of the AV of the KJV because they seem to be comparable and the later use archaic grammar that is hard to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,07:24)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,18:05)What does it mean to say that Jesus speaks and does the word?It means there is more than one use of the word “logos” in the scriptures.For example, the Word of the King of Abyssinia (The King's SPOKESMAN) speaks and does the word (instructions, commands, etc.) of the King of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,07:26)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,15:39)Mike,I am going to work back to verse 4 from verses 6-8Instead, let's just work forward from verse 1 in the new thread I started just for that purpose.Mike,I worked backwards because Jesus said he was the light of the world in a way I figured you should comprehend what he…[Read more]

Gene,Quote Kerwin………The reason Jesus used that scripture was to make a point, that if scripture says they (the pharisees) themselves  “Belonged” to GOD in a possessive sense then,  Why were they upset with Jesus when he said , he was God's Son then.They lacked understanding as their decedents even admit they were mistaken in their i…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,07:50)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,15:01)Mike,The reason I hypothesize that some believe Psalms 82 is speaking of human judges is verse 8 which goes.Psalm 82:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 Arise, O God, judge the earth:for thou shalt inherit all nations.Angels are not the ones that will inherit all…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2014,04:23)kQuote Jesus shows more of the attribute of the word and that is why he is called by the name of the word.JESUS IS THE “WORD” HE IS THE SON OF GOD THE FATHER ,ALL THE WORDS WHERE ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE BY THE TIME JESUS/WORD CAME TO BE IN THE FLESH ,WHAT MEN DID NOT KNOW IS WHAT ALL THOSE WORDS WRITTEN…[Read more]

Wakeup,I am not confusing spiritual and physical light because the earlier has always existed.  I am speaking of physical light that is shed by a source.  That could not be the sun or stars before the fourth Night and Day for Scripture to be true.  I agree that the Sun is earth's source of day which is why I don't believe the Night and Days of cr…[Read more]