Mike,I read John 1:1 wrong as as theos is the word was God is normative and not genitive as I thought it was. That means the reasoning is different than I thought.There are two nominatives in the statement the word is God. It is actually structured as God is the word in Koine Greek but the translators feel justified in switching the order…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,23:32)And finally, I take your translation using the neuter “IT” as an answer to my previous question, “Okay……….. which one?  Something other than God?  Or someone other than God?”I assume you are saying that you believe “the Word” was someTHING other than God.  Is that correct?Mike,Even if John actually wr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,23:29)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2014,13:45)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's. The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it; and without it was not any thing made that was made.Okay.  It seems we are still on the same page that “the Word” was not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,22:20)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2014,13:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,05:33)Okay, but the bottom line is that you realize that the one who rides on a white horse and is called by the name “The Word of God” IS in fact a real, live PERSON?Is that correct?Mike,I perceive that is correct.  I concur.  We both a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2014,00:16)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,15:56)Mike,Yes, Jesus did have a body that was guided by the breath before his resurrection.And do the rest of us have that same kind of body – one that is “guided by the breath”?Mike,Yes. though in this case breath is not Spirit.

Mike,I don't see where the AV of the KJV is translated in such a manner as to present this mystery.Quote God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SonGod, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote The genitive primarily functions adjectivally to limit (restrict, see Louw Linguistic Theory) a substantive by describing, defining or qualifying / modifying it. The genitive also sometimes functions to express the idea of separation, point of departure, source, origin (ie. the ablative use).In the NT the adjectival use of the genitive…[Read more]

Mike,I did find these word's that might explain Moffatt's choice.Quote Grammatical Role 1:Adjectival GenitivesThis is the most fundamental role of a genitive, it describes. Whether as a true genitive or as an ablative, the genitive describes the head noun. Thus it qualifies or modifies the head noun, indicating limitations as to the scope of that…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,03:16)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,02:06)T,I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff.  Before heaven and earth created there was no space.  Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy.  These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth.  I…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,07:41)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2014,10:19)Mike,Technically God was still using prophets in the New Testament as well as other means such as the Apostles and angels.  You are correct.  But you know what that means, right?  Even though it was said that God spoke to us in these latter days through His Son, it didn't me…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2014,06:43)Kerwin………When it says, God spoke to us in “TIMES PAST” through Others,  but has Spoken to us in these “LATTER” Days, through A SON> It place Jesus in time and also is saying,  God was not speaking through him before that time. Right? peace and love to you and y…[Read more]

Mike,Sound good!

T,I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff. Before heaven and earth created there was no space. Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy. These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth. I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,22:18)kQuote T,I did not mean or imply that Jesus would force adam to eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.  Instead I only said that in the fullness of time eating of it would benefit man and make him more like the angels.  At that time they could also reach fourth and eat of the tree of life and b…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2014,04:07)KQuote T,Why do you think the two translations seem to disagree? I AGREE WITH YOU BUT KNOW THIS ;THAT IF YOU FAIL TO STAY AWAY FROM WHAT IT SAYS IN THE NEXT VERSE YOUR FAITH IS ALSO VOID 1Jn 2:21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,02:36)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 22 2014,20:44)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,10:43)Kerwin.That was Jesus promise to His apostles.Ask anything in my name And I will give it to you.wakeup.Wakeup,Are you implying that Jesus children other than the apostles will not receive what they ask from God?Kerwin.Not at all.We ask and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2014,07:11)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 08 2014,00:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 08 2014,07:02)Also, are we agreed that “the Word” is something or someone OTHER THAN God Almighty the Father?Mike,Yes.1.  Since we agree that the Word is/was something other than God Almighty the Father, doesn't the translation, “and the Word was God“…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 24 2014,03:52)Quote Bought is a pretty good parallel to the Hebrew as both mean purchase.  I have not looked into the forth.  It does not disagree with your interpretation as Jesus was bought forth of a woman.KerwinCome on, I learn't this in grade 1.”Brought” does not mean “buy””Brought” is the past tense of “…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,05:33)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2014,10:50)Mike,I believe that one called by the name of the word of God is a person but I also acknowledge Revelations is a book of prophecy and so it is filled with symbolism.Okay, but the bottom line is that you realize that the one who rides on a white horse and is called by the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2014,05:05)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,20:18)Proverbs 8:22   The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.POSSESSED ME.The correct translation is “CREATED”, Wakeup.Compare the following verses:Proverbs 8 KJV24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains…[Read more]