Quote (jammin @ Feb. 28 2014,19:59)kerwin,it is clear that GNV accepts that Christ is the Word in john 1.1 but you dont. make your own bibleJammin,It is clear the translators of the GNV were Trinitarians but that has little to do with my point that the word can either be called “it” or “he” and the bias of the translators determine which. You…[Read more]

Carmel,Quote WITH EVERY RESPECT, THAT'S YOUR CORRUPTED MIND'S OPINION!NOooh! God's word is as a man's word except it is full of his power and a reflection of his majesty. It is not a being in its own right but Jesus is the being who has personalized it since it was made flesh.

Mike,Before God spoke his word to his angels and they carried out his commands. Now God uses Jesus to speak to his angels and they carry out his commands. It is similar to when Saul was made king to the children of Israel. No person held the position previously and each person did as he pleased. Now Jesus is king and he is not like Saul, who…[Read more]

Mike,John 17:24Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and I am in you, and when they are there to perceive with their hearts my glory, the glory you gave…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2014,08:24)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 23 2014,12:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:36)What PURPOSE would it serve to show Jesus as a radiant, glorious, blinding being, if he was never going to be anything other than a regular looking flesh and bone human being like everyone else?Mike,Peter already told you the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2014,06:02)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 23 2014,13:18)Mike,So are you claiming a concrete thing can not become an aspect of an abstract thing. That claim lacks support.Okay Kerwin,But it's not for me to prove a negative.  You'll have to prove the positive.Can you find an example of an abstract quality or attribute, like…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 24 2014,08:31)geneva bible also tells us that the Word was with God and that Word is Christ.Jammin,The Geneva bible is a study bible and those write the comments to teach and chose to translate it were Trinitarians of some type. Even though they were Trinitarians they chose to call the word an “it” and not a “he”.It is just…[Read more]

To all, I have been sick a few days and am getting over it now by the grace of God. It seems my heart needed testing in more ways than God normally proofs it.

Charles,Quote WHAT IF I TELL YOU THAT THE WORD THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR CREATOR GOD WAS BOTH MASCULINE AND FEMININE!The word is neither male nor female as it is derived from God's mind and put into action by him. He utters it and it does his will. He rules angels by it. He created all things that are created by it, even Jesus.

Mike,So are you claiming a concrete thing can not become an aspect of an abstract thing. That claim lacks support.

Mike,yes, “see” can be to perceive with the mind.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2014,00:30)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2014,13:45)Mike,How does a blind man “see”?Don't divert, Kerwin.  If you want to say that the English word “see” can also refer to “perceiving with one's mind”, then just say that.In the meantime, don't ask any questions until you've answered the one I keep asking and asking:What…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:36)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2014,11:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 22 2014,23:19)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2014,10:11)I am not sure where you get the idea from Scripture that Jesus' Transfiguring was a foreshadowing of the radiance that he would have.  During that event Jesus was still in his mortal body.Were Moses…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:11)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2014,12:22)John 1:8 is speaking of the light and it teaches us the John does not have the attribute of the light but he bears witness to the one that does.  Jesus is that one as Jesus later said “I am the light of the world” in John 9:5. It is the same pastern as used to show that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:07)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2014,12:22)Mike.Quote Again, you are talking in riddles.  For one, love is never said to have BECOME God, where the Word IS said to have BECOME flesh.God has always been love but the word has not always been flesh.  Start again, Kerwin.Has love always been God?  Put the words in the ri…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:29)So when Jesus got appointed to that role that the Word formerly held, what happened to the Word?  Was he fired?  Was he destroyed?Mike,God now speaks his word and does his works through Jesus.

Mike,How does a blind man “see”?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:32)Kerwin,It doesn't matter WHAT “glory” refers to in that passage.  What matters is that they wouldn't be able to see Jesus' REAL glory until they were in heaven with him.And THAT tells us that no one on earth was able to see Jesus' REAL glory.Also, the word “SEE” is a hint that this “glory” would be something…[Read more]

Mike,Quote And if the Word of God was personified as Christ AFTER Christ was flesh, what scriptural reason do you have to say the Word of God, through whom all things were created, was not being personified as the living breathing person Jesus Christ in John 1:1-3, BEFORE Jesus became flesh?“was” is the past tense of “is” and like God is love the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote So if “wisdom” was being personified as Christ AFTER Christ was flesh, what scriptural reason do you have to say wisdom was NOT being personified as the living breathing person Jesus Christ in Proverbs 8?Wisdom is mentioned in other chapters than chapter 8 of Proverbs and it is spoken of as a female. Jesus is male. A major exhibit of…[Read more]