Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2014,09:54)Hi KW, No. Intellectual discussions are of less value than studying the wordNick,Are you claiming to be incapable of intelligent discussions? Intelligent discussions is how Jesus taught his disciples and how Paul put the word to his letters. Get wise.

Nick,Flesh is a creature but it is not the only creature that was subjected to frustration. It is the one that is relevant to what I said. I am not even sure the soul or spirit of a man are creations as they either came with or are the result of the breath of God.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2014,06:31)Hi KW, Which human princes? Was there a human conspiracy?The work of men always seem to feature in your postsNick,Herod and Pilate at the least though the members of the Sanhedrin would also qualify. I believe there was at least on voice in the Sanhedrin but that was voice as one calling in the wilderness.

Nick,You are not doing a good job explaining what you mean by that.

Nick,I am sure what you are speaking of but I do know what I am. I am speaking of flesh being subjected to vanity and how it will one day be feed from its bondage to corruption. I even know where God subjected it to frustration as it part of the God's curse of man that occurred at the Fall, Genesis 3:19.

Nick,So all is not grace?

Nick,This sentence states nothing of the ways of man. Instead is speaks of the opposition of the flesh to God's Spirit. Another passage that speaks of the rebellion of the flesh is:Romans 8:20-21Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in…[Read more]

Nick,You may be correct as sometimes my English is atrocious.  I will try it again.Genesis 6:3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. God's statement is “My spirit shall not always strive with man”.  Man is b…[Read more]

Nick,Then why did God bother giving us Scripture?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 14 2014,06:52)Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2014,18:28)I do know that Hebrews 6:3 is using flesh as if it was in rebellion against the governance of the Spirit.Please give me the correct scripture, so I can check what you're saying.Mike,It is definition of flesh I found at blueletterbible.org.  Psalms 78:38 uses it the same way

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2014,06:30)Hi KW, Men were is rebellion against God. Philosophy adds nothingNick,Stick to subjects that you know what you are are speaking of as you know nothing about philosophy.You are correct that men are in rebellion against God but the God did not not say the Spirit's difficulty was with men in that case.…[Read more]

Mike,I have no idea what God said to the angels.  I do know that Genesis 6:3 is using flesh as if it was in rebellion against the governance of the Spirit.  That would it is used as “flesh as frail or erring (man against God)”.I do not believe God created “flesh as frail or erring (man against God)” but instead he created it to be empowered and f…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 10 2014,08:26)Mike. Yes, some chose to remain with their masters. EXODUS 21:2-6“If you buy a HEBREW slave, he will serve as a slave for six years, but in the seventh year, he will be set free without paying anything. If he came by himself, he will go out by himself. If he is the husband of a wife, then HIS WIFE MUST NOT GO O…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 10 2014,08:47)Again with me about the nit picking. EXODUS 21:26,27“If a man strikes the eye of his slave man or the eye of his slave girl and he destroys it, he is to let the slave go free in compensation for his eye. And if he knocks out the tooth of his slave man or of his slave girl, he is to let the slave go free in c…[Read more]

Nick,I tend to believe it is the human princess as if they had known they would have honored Jesus as the Christ and not crucified him.

Nick,It is teaching. The question is do you believe what it teaches. If not then why?

Nick,The truth.

Mike,It is guilt by deriving your doctrine from a source other than Scripture and then seeking to force Scripture to support it. There is no mention of bodies composed of Spirit in all of Scripture it is a teaching that is derived by the theology of Gnosticism or one that is like it.You are ignoring reason in your chosen interpretation as you…[Read more]

Nick,How do you think that tells me of your consideration of the passage I quoted?

Nick,There is no literal translation as some Hebrew words do not have literal English alternative. Even when they do, those claiming to be literal translations do not necessary use them.The only reason I know is that biblehub tells me the basic definition is judge. There are times it seems to mean contend. I am confident it means judge as in…[Read more]