Mike,Jesus did not come to save angels so it does not refer to angels.

Mike,Quote John 3:13 NASB ©No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.I like the passage as it is obviously hard to understand.  There are obviously translators who believe Enoch and Elijah ascended to heaven so you wonder how they look at it.  Some seem do go by the word ascended and say Enoch and Elijah di…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2014,08:42)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,16:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 17 2014,08:27)Kerwin,Men have been taken to heaven in visions and dreams.  What reason do I have to NOT believe the things they saw there?Mike,Because to believe it means what you think it does means that you believe men have seen God even as you at…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2014,08:45)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,16:57)Mike,In chapter 12 we are told that after Enoch was hidden from men he went to live with the holy ones.And?Mike,That would be angels as he was hidden from all human being and not only Seth's line. Of course the only reason I conclude that is Scripture states he was not found.

Mike,Quote Face it Kerwin, it would have been illogical for Jesus to say he was CURRENTLY in heaven while he was talking to Nicodemus and the apostles.Then Jesus makes quite a few illogical statements as he said quite often that he was in Jehovah, and God is in heaven.Ephesians 2:6 states believers are in heavenly place but it is a variation of…[Read more]

T,Satan is Lord of tempters and those who inflict physical ailments. You see that in the case of Job.

Mike,Quote Also, are you saying “God's word” is more of a “literal Father” to us than God Himself?I did not say God's word is their father I said God is their Father by his word.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2014,08:56)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,15:22)Those words were addressed to believers and not all humans  so a stronger case is that Jesus is speaking as God is our Father as of sired by his word.How do you know those words only apply to “believers”?Also, are you saying “God's word” is more of a “literal Father” to us…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2014,08:50)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,15:00)Mike,Even though you are technically correct I see being hidden from God's face and meaning disowned; in other words cut off.But remember that the same Hebrew words are used of Adam and Eve.  They “hid themselves from the face of God” after they sinned.Are you saying they…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2014,01:33)Hi KW, Faith and theology are incompatible tooNickSo according to you “the study of god and god's relation to the world” is incompatible with faith.

Quote (942767 @ May 19 2014,03:44)Hi:Someone stated that the scriptures do not state that Enoch did not die, but:Quote Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.But Jesus is the firstborn again…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 18 2014,06:59)Quote (kerwin @ May 17 2014,17:11)It is crucial that men hear that they require a new spirit to inherit the world to come and yet by your choice of interpretation you hide that fact.Can you show me this teaching in a scripture or two?Mike,I do not know if you would believe it. I can try. Galatians 5:16-26…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2014,07:28)Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2014,19:17)I used Google to look up the words “finger into the print”……….Why would you Google such an odd phrase?  Does that phrase make any kind of logical sense to you, Kerwin?  Because it sounds like nonsense to me.Mike,It is some of the words the AV of the KJV states Thomas used.

Mike,Quote John said he DIDN'T know what he would be, because he HADN'T yet seen Jesus as he is.You act like you do not know that the word know can mean “experience” instead of “knowledge”.Lets address your “knowledge” assumption. As Nick would say, If John didn't then why do you presume to know?You seem to be just trying to make a point and not…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2014,06:15)Hi KW, Is it possible to put your finger or your hand into scars?Nick,The only place Thomas mentions marks is on the hands. He just states he will not believe until he puts his hand into Jesus' side. I just assume there is a mark there as well.I used Google to look up the words “finger into the print” and…[Read more]

Mike,You failed to show the children of the resurrection have bodies like angels. All Nick gave for evidence is that they would not marry nor be given in marriage just like angels do not. The also do not will not die just like angels. Not a word about bodies.

Quote (Wakeup @ May 20 2014,01:17)Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2014,05:39)Quote (Wakeup @ May 18 2014,07:27)Quote (kerwin @ May 18 2014,10:18)Wakeup,Translated does not mean appear, it means changed.There is no place in Scripture he is said to be God.  That is just what you choose to conclude from what Paul states.   Scripture instead states he is the h…[Read more]

Wakeup,Quote ONE CAN WALK AFTER THE FLESH, OR AFTER THE SPIRIT.Yes, you can obey they desires of the flesh nature or of the Spirit of God nature. The nature of the Spirit of God is the divine nature that those that believe might be partakers of. Peter speaks of this in his second letter.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 20 2014,04:11)Hi KW, Are the angels in tattered human flesh?Nick,You have not shown that the children of the resurrection will have bodies like the angels. So far it is a claim you make with no backing.You do not have any solid evidence that Jesus bore wounds and not just scars after his resurrection.Quote The wet, cool…[Read more]

Wakeup,Quote Good at playing with words.I simply believe Jesus when he states seek God and his kingdom and so seek the correct understanding of words.Quote Flesh is not really flesh?Flesh is not really flesh, bread is not really bread, blood is not really blood. These things are common in scripture as they are used as symbols. Natural is not…[Read more]