Nick,I build by doctrine so not to cause scripture to conflict with itself. I warn you where I see conflicts in your chosen doctrine so as not to take part in your error. You are claiming that a man can enter heave either in his body or out of his body but cannot enter it in his body.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,06:18)Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2014,17:54)Mike,It is not my interpretation it is what the words mean.Which word?  The one that REALLY means “made of dust/earth”?Mike,That verse that tells you the first Adam, also know as the outer Adam, is made of earth. The inner Adam who gives life to the outer Adam is Adam's…[Read more]

Mike,It is specifically the inherited kingdom of God that is the world to come. I believe Paul is the only one that uses it that way. Jesus uses the word “enter” in reference to the kingdom of God and it seems to have an equivalent meaning to Paul's use of inherit. There is one time Jesus speaks of inheriting the kingdom and that is Matthew…[Read more]

Nick,They are reasons for Paul did not know if a man entered heave in his body or out of it in 2 Corinthians. That means Paul was not saying a man could not enter heaven in this body in 1 Corinthians. What are you claim Paul got forgetful and forgot that no one can enter heaven in body?

Mike,Quote He is no longer flesh in heaven.That is false belief for a number of reasons.1) Paul did not know if a man was in his body or out of his body when he entered the third heaven. I assume you believe that is the third heaven of seven the book of 1 Enoch speaks of.2) 1 Corinthians mentions inheriting the kingdom of God and that is always…[Read more]

Mike,The last Adam, aka the inner man, is a life given spirit just as Genesis bears witness.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,06:55)Oh, and there's also the fact that John and others saw Jesus “as he was after the resurrection”, but they didn't ever see him “as he NOW is”.Also, don't forget the transfiguration, Kerwin.  What was the purpose for allowing the disciples to see Jesus in such a brilliant and glorified state of being?  All for n…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,06:24)Quote (kerwin @ May 24 2014,15:48)Mike,Quote He wanted to see and touch the actual wounds from Jesus' crucifixion – in order to believe it was truly Jesus, and that he was truly raised from the dead.Some translations claim he did while most say it was the imprint, print, marks, etc. of the nails.  I found one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,09:40)Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,14:38)Mike,I did post what I could but the link has a good table and I am not sure how to post a table so it looks like a table and not a pile of words.The perfect tense of ascend is past tense and speaks of an ongoing result of the action.For example “The grass has grown taller” is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,09:17)Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,14:12)It does not prove Jesus is God.  I do not know why trinitarians attempt to use reason when they are willing to accept the unreasonable statement that God can be tempted by evil even as we are.Trinitarians are unreasonable to even make a translation that says, “No one has ever…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,05:33)Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2014,17:23)There is a body led by the soul and a body led by the Spirit.I don't remember any scriptures that say such a thing, Kerwin.Are you talking about YOUR interpretation of 1 Cor 15, which REALLY contrasts the human earthly body made of dust from the heavenly body made of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,00:31)Mike,Quote In John 3, Jesus was teaching that we must actually CONSIST OF something other than flesh in order to see or enter the kingdom of God.You are making this statement on your own authority.  You fail to address the verses I gave you.Titus 3:5New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)5 he saved us, not because of…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 25 2014,10:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,14:17)Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2014,14:12)It does not prove Jesus is God.  I do not know why trinitarians attempt to use reason when they are willing to accept the unreasonable statement that God can be tempted by evil even as we are.Trinitarians are unreasonable to even make a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,08:50)Quote (kerwin @ May 22 2014,12:18)Mike,Quote There is no such thing as a “spiritual body”.  There is no “BODY” that is “led by spirit”.  A PERSON can either be led by spirit or not – but a BODY cannot.Scripture.No, YOU'RE the one making the claim that a non-sentient BODY can be “led by Spirit”.It is YOUR c…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,04:17)Hi KW, He was raised in his mortal body to fulfill the sign of Jonah and the prophecies in Ps 2 and those of David shown in acts 2 proving he was the son of God When he was raised up to heaven he received the promise we await.Nick,There is not one Scripture that states Jesus was raised up in his mortal body…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,04:23)Hi KW, The resurrection of Jesus was in two parts and only when he was taken up does it fully resemble that we enjoy when we are taken upNick,You are making things up to justify your beliefs. What you said is not written. What is written is the Jesus was resurrected no more to see corruption he is an…[Read more]

Nick,1 Corinthians 15:12-19New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)The Resurrection of the Dead12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has…[Read more]

Nick,Quote but you say” You seem to believe he was raised from the dead to return to corruption.”How could you imagine that?For the reason you believe God resurrection in a body that was still subject to corruption.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,03:43)Hi KW, We do not need scribes to adjust scripture and make it palatableNick,I am not one to tell people what they want to hear. The worst I do is not tell them what they do not want to hear. Most of the time I speak without considering what people want to hear.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,03:44)Hi KW, “no more to return to corruption,”Nick,reading your other posts I am not sure where you are going with this one.