To whomever is concerned,

I was hoping Gene would contribute his idea of what free will means as I believe it diverges from that which myself, t8, and terraicca seem to share.

Given that we choose from our own will my next question is did God create our will?

t8,

The official dogma of the SDA is now trinitarian but it may not always have been an important one for them. The trinitarians managed to get into power and so won the argument. There is not even solid proof Ellen G White, who they hold to be a prophet, was a trinitarian. There are non-trinitarian members and outshouts that have broken off.…[Read more]

t8,

The official dogma of the SDA is now trinitarian but it may not always have been an important one for them. The trinitarians managed to get into power and so won the argument. There is not even solid proof Ellen G White, who they hold to be a prophet, was a trinitarian. There are non-trinitarian members and outshouts that have broken off.…[Read more]

Wakeup,

I grew up as SDA and yet I see the mark of the beast as being those that live by their flesh natures. There may be a physical mark as well but I find that too easily discerned by those who ears do not hear and eyes do not see There is a reason Jesus spoke in parables.

Wakeup,

I grew up as SDA and yet I see the mark of the beast as being those that live by their flesh natures. There may be a physical mark as well but I find that too easily discerned by those who ears do not hear and eyes do not see There is a reason Jesus spoke in parables.

T8,

There is nothing said in Scripture but the book of watchers from 1 Enoch does speak of angels feeling lust for human woman though like Scripture is does not speak of them changing bodies to perform acts of lust.

1 Enoch

Chapter 6

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful…

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Journey and all others that are concerned,

Your wrote:

if Satan had access to heaven and could travel to and fro until he was finally kicked out after the resurrection of Christ

It is assumed by some that that it is so but it is not literally written in scripture. Scripture states that:

Revelation 12:8Authorized (King James) Version…[Read more]

To whomever it concerns,

The heavens are mentioned in the book of watchers of first Enoch and there seems to be seven of them. The book of second Enoch goes into more detail but seems to have ten heaven instead of the seven that seem to be spoken of in 1 Enoch. Their is a book of third Enoch as well. There are also multiple translations of each.

t8,

Then you are speaking of one changing shape into another. That sounds like when Adam’s body changed into a body that was put in bondage to corruption and the reverse of that when the last trump sounds and the body that has been subject to decay is liberated, Romans 8:20-21.

Do you then believe certain angels chose to subject their body to…[Read more]

T,

That is close to what I said.

T,
I would not know as I have gone numb due the poor circulation of sitting so long.

T,

The Spirit did not come in its role as Counselor until Jesus sacrificed himself, was raised from the dead, and ascended to heaven. So at the time Jesus ate of the passover lamb the new covenant was not in effect.

T,

I was addressing words that go.

However some angels left their former estate (bodies) and came down to Earth and were worshipped like gods. The word “estate/abode/dwelling’ is used in one other Bible passage and it refers to the body.

That sounds like he is claim these angels swapped their angel bodies for human ones.

T8,

I cannot think of one case of a body swapping in Scripture unless you hold that is what the change between the mortal body and the immortal body is.

T,

Yes, that is pretty much what was said.

T8,

You said

Yes that is possible. Demons could be the Nephilim, the offspring of angel and women, who were destroyed in the flood. At least according to the Book of Enoch.

I heard that and other hypothesis. I do not believe that as I do not believe that angels and humans are fertile with one another. When Jesus stated the angels neither…[Read more]

T,

I have heard that and I have heard other stories such as they are ghosts in general.