T,

there is no one that can claim that he will be or is like christ the son of GOD ;

I am not sure where you are coming from as Scripture tells us those who persevere in belief are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ and those same believers are instructed to put on the new man who is created to be like God in true holiness and…[Read more]

Wakeup,

In the same way the children of Israel worshiped David and God in 1 Chronicles 29:20 but not in the way that some are rebuked for worshiping angels, Colossians 2:18.

Wakeup,

Please address your posts so the person or person knows to who you directed the post. Thank you.

T,

understand that it does not talks about copy’s ,and how could any one be like Christ…

Those that are fully mature are like Christ only in that they do not sin even when tempted as it common with men. They have different gifts than him as he is the head of the church and king of all things in heaven and on earth and they are only m…[Read more]

T,

is the image of the image the same as the original image ?

The Spiritual image is as those that have the image of God walk by the same Spirit.

I am not sure of the physical image as I am not this exact image of my father and yet Seth is said to have been formed in the image of his father Adam.

Colossians teaches us that God is invisible and…[Read more]

T,

Romans 8:29New English Translation (NET Bible)

29 because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

I hear that those that God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the Spiritual image of Jesus Christ for in doing so the…[Read more]

T8,

Sorry, I missed your answer.

Where I differ with Mike and Terr is in a small way that being the difference between ‘begotten’ and ‘created’. Besides that, we are on the same page IMO.

Begotten literally means sired. I believe born is speaking of birth. Sometimes either one can be used in allegory. I do not believe you are claimin…[Read more]

T8,

Where are the differences between what you believe and what Mike believes. If I understand correctly Mike believes Jesus was made of the stuff of God’s body. So what do you believe?

Do you have an answer to this question yet?

T,

What Scripture brings you to the conclusion the phrase “image of God” is talking about the body when it is speaking of Jesus?

Do you have an answer to this question yet?

T,

i never said that the angels were created directly by God ,but Christ is the first of God’s creation ;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible

That does not say that Jesus was created(begotten) from God’s own…[Read more]

Wakeup,

I have tested your doctrine by Scripture had found it there.

I think the Luria is credited to the theology of a 16th century rabbi of Kabbalah and is therefore not as reliable source of the first century teachings as one written in that century.

Wikipedia states about the Luria:

The conception of Adam Ḳadmon becomes an important factor in the later Kabbalah of Isaac Luria. Adam Ḳadmon is with him no lon…

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T,

Where is it written that Jesus, or even the angels, were created(begotten) from God’s own being?

T8,

Where are the differences between what you believe and what Mike believes. If I understand correctly Mike believes Jesus was made of the stuff of God’s body. So what do you believe?

Mike,

I wrote:

That lame nonsense is stated more than one place in Scripture but you do not want to believe that definition of certain terms is correct.

Merriam-Webster online dictionary tells us “was” is “the past 1st & 3d singular of be”.

It also states “be” can mean ‘used to describe the qualities of a person or thing” but you do not beli…

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Mike,

Not quite, Kerwin. I don’t believe the Word was “given the characteristics of a person”, because that lame nonsense isn’t stated anywhere in scripture. What IS stated, and therefore what I believe, is that the Word BECAME flesh and dwelled on earth as Jesus of Nazareth.

That lame nonsense is stated more than one place in Scripture but you…[Read more]

Mike,

So the fact that Philo, on occasion, used metaphorical language is proof to you that all the above things he said about the logos being person really mean the logos WASN’T a person?

Why do you reach for ANYTHING except for the most logical and sensible way words can be understood? No matter, Philo and I believe that the Word WAS INDEED G…

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Mike,

Everything you say amounts to: “The Word was Jesus on earth”. And this is also what I believe.

We both agree that Jesus Christ was the word after the word was given the characteristics of a person but we disagree that the word was a person before Jesus Christ originated in his mother’s womb.

Mike,

So a sacrificial demigod? Superior to the angels that were created through him? A second, lesser god? The first begotten Son of God? Sounds to me like Philo was right on the money, Kerwin. How people could look at all those descriptions and still insist he was NOT speaking of a person is beyond me. Perhaps those people were like you?…

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Mike,

Now, about the “characteristics” of this “preexisting Law of God”………… did this Law come to earth to serve others as their slave? Did this Law show humility? Did this Law come as God’s sacrificial lamb – to die for our sins? Is this Law the thing that John the Baptist came to testify about, and bear witness to? Is this Law the thing about…

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