Nick,

How of the other words of sacred scripture have you consigned to be just idioms?

Some idioms most translators choose to translate. Idiom is part of a language and like other parts of the language they are in Scripture.

Translators are not consistent in translating them.

Nick,

Adam and Eve lived in the Kingdom?

They lived in a time before the earth was separated from the kingdom by its rebellion.

Nick,

If the new creation is just a rehash of the old is it a brand new flesh body we are given, still reliant on food and water etc?

Is it an adult one?

How do you know?

Scripture treat the change as significant and I know the change because Romans 8:20-21 tells describes it. I know only about and whatever else Scripture reveals. Beyond…[Read more]

Nick,

Hi KW,
Jesus told us his resurrected body was flesh and bones.
Flesh cannot inherit the kingdom so how could he be in the kingdom at that time?

Scripture states flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heave. Flesh and blood is an idiom for mortal and perhaps other things. It leads to misunderstanding to interpret idioms literally.…[Read more]

Flesh is the future for the sons of God?

Adam and Eve were made flesh and bone in God’s kingdom and God said they were a very good creation. He did not lie.

Nick,

Jesus was resurrected and is an example of those that will be resurrected. Nowhere in Scripture is he used as an example for those that are changed while still living. In fact nowhere in Scripture is he said to change. He is only said to be resurrected.

Nick,

Hi KW,
Do you not believe in the new creation?
Is the new creation still the same old flesh one/

What does Romans 8:20-21 say?

I believe the new creation is the old creation liberated from bondage to decay just as Romans 8:20-21 teaches.

Nick,

We do not know what we will be like when he returns but we will be like him.1Jn

Why do you choose a definition of know that says that you know more than those John and those he spoke to knew. Why did you not choose “to perceive directly : have direct cognition of” as NET does?

1 John 3:2New English Translation (NET Bible)

2 Dear…

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Nick,

It is written”

Romans 8:20-21New English Translation (NET Bible)

20 For the creation was subjected to futility—not willingly but because of God who subjected it—in hope 21 that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay into the glorious freedom of God’s children.

But you tell me that not not all of creat…[Read more]

Nick,

Why would you believe Thomas wanted to touch open wounds in order to believe?

Why wouldn’t you believe that Jesus had the power to have wounds in his flesh and them no harm him even if Thomas had made such an absurd request.

If he did have wounds that would be proof that his body was immortal since a the wounds killed his mortal…[Read more]

Nick,

You failed to answer my point from Scripture as you are denying that Jesus underwent the same resurrection that those that believe will undergo when he comes again.

Nick,

There is a resurrection that returns you to your mortal life and a resurrection that raised you to a new life. I called the second one the final resurrection as the resurrection of the wicked is irrelevant to the point I am making.

Anyone that does not believe the Jesus was raised to an immortal body is denying his resurrection but making…[Read more]

Nick,

But you disagree?

It is you that disagree as all I did was replace a part of creation for the whole while you are the one that did not view that as a new creation.

Nick,

same old same old?
Flesh DOES inherit the kingdom you say?

1 Corinthians 15:50International Standard Version (ISV)

50 Brothers, this is what I mean: Mortal bodies cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and what decays cannot inherit what does not decay.
Footnotes:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Lit. mean: Flesh and blood

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Nick,

Not new then but just a little different?

Scripture states creation is new.

Nick,

I agree with you but I was telling Ed what Jesus said.

Nick,

I believe the body will be changed just as is written about creation in general. It is not composition that is changed but that it is subject to the wages of sin. Have you not heard that the wages of sin is death but the gift of eternal life waits for those that believe in Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:20New English Translation (NET…

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Ed,

Hi Kerwin,

Yes, people who have there mind made up are very reluctant to consider new information
that may conflict with their preconceived ideas of truth. Please let me know if you reconsider, OK?

I am trying to see where you are coming from as in both the relevant parables Jesus is giving an example of the kingdom of heaven.

Nick,

Hi KW,
As you admit some cannot follow him into resurrection from the dead as they will be alive.
So being raised up from the earth is more important

All that are called will meet Jesus in the clouds but I do not see how there is there is any difference between that or either being raised from the dead or changed while still living. All…[Read more]