LU,

Regarding are Christians not children of God. Christians are children of God but not in the same sense as the person of Jesus who is a child and the only child

Jesus was not adopted.

Nevertheless consider that Isaac who was Abraham’s second child is called Abraham’s one and only child in Scripture despite the fact that Ismael is also…[Read more]

LU,

Luke 11:49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’

Is a passage I have considered in this line of conversation but I already addressed 1 Cor 1:24 when I pointed out that Jesus is the Wisdom of God in the flesh. You already know I do not mean he is a per…[Read more]

Gene,

Could you cite what you parts you are talking about here?

David,

This may be the same researcher and it does seem to address the idea of spare the rod spoil the child. I do not see research to back it up and it seems to be dated 1966.

http://www.devpsy.org/teaching/parent/baumrind_styles.html

David,

Sociopath and Psychopath are now said to be individuals suffering with antisocial personality disorder and one of the possible cause it the mores of our western society. traumatic events, and genetics, as well as other things are possible factors. Wikipedia has an article if you are interested.

I venture to say that if a child…[Read more]

David,

“It is reliance on physical punishment …that is associated with harm to the child.”

What one man calls reliance another man does not. It is not a scientific word because it is subject to judgment. Our language is not the best for expressing scientific ideas because of many words subject to judgement.

A small minority of paren…

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Gene,

I am quite busy and therefore would consider addressing that part of the writers opinion that free will in this thread if you would only cite it. I do feel like wading through it in attempt to see what you are speaking of. I read some of it and he answered some points that I am not sure even those who believe in eternal hellfire think are…[Read more]

T8,

It is deceptive to claim that the Koine Greek word “ὃς” which means only “he” or “who”. It is a half truth at best. The definition according to Bible Hub “who, which, what, that”. Someone who translated from the Koine Greek chose “who” for their own reasons. It is a subjective call unless there context to reveal which it should be. Th…[Read more]

LU,

If they were two different types of beings, they wouldn’t be father and son. The church is built on the truth that Jesus IS the Son. That is my belief also.

So Christians are not God’s children because they are not theos and God is not their father because he is not a human being?

LU,

Are you suggesting that once the new covenant was in place that mankind changed from depraved to righteous?

No, I am saying that those human beings that are not under the new covenant are bound to their sinful nature though in their mind they may hunger and thirst to do all that is right. It is only under the new covenant that a human…[Read more]

LU,

I understand that in both Hebrew and Koine Greek pronouns have gender that corresponds to the nouns they are replacing and therefore translators are the ones who determine the gender of what is being spoken about. The traditional translation is in the feminine and holds together with Jesus calling both himself and John her children in some…[Read more]

Carmel,

If you wish to put your faith what is not contained in Scripture then that is your choice as for me I see no reason to make up stories even when Scripture tells a piece of one.

As for the morning stars and the sons of God they may be the same kind of creatures though there seems different kinds of angels. In the passage I quote the…[Read more]

Journey,

I am sorry I did not make myself clearer. Except for that is there anything else I have incorrect?

Journey,

My difficulty in understanding you as you were not explicit in what you meant which means I had to try to piece together and answer from your words. I voiced my conclusion when I said:

The best I could quest at from what you wrote is that you believe the “thousand” year kingdom will have death and dying in it though not all the sai…

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Kerwin…….it has nothing to do with this subjet, but it certainly does with some very important subjects we have we are talking about here expecially about “the so-called “freewill”, and also hell and the lake of fire mentioned here often times. Just give it a read and please let me know what you think. I am sure you at least will read it with a…

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Carmel,

We do not know much about Heylel ben Shachar, aja Lucifer, is that what is credited as a Canaanite source dispirits him as assaulting heaven in order to take control. There is nothing about him creating earth even among the Canaanites. The closest I have heard is the Gnostic claim that the demiurge created the earth.

It is written:…[Read more]

Gene,

bible-truths.com/23 minutes in hell.html

What does that page have to do with this subject?

David,

My first post KERWIN was me going through the link quoting from it and discussing it. I think I quoted from it about 6 times.

I was tired when I posted and seemed to be more inattentive that usual so thank you for letting me know. My link is not the best source but I think it is fairly good being a news article from Berkley itself. I…[Read more]

LU,

Proverbs 8 is a chapter about Wisdom who is personified as a female as you can see by a few verses.

Proverbs 8:1-3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 Does not wisdom call,
And understanding lift up her voice?
2 On top of the heights beside the way,
Where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 Beside the gates, at the opening to the…[Read more]

LU,

@kerwin

Regarding the depravity of all men:
*Isa 64:6 For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

Then you are speaking of those that are not living by the Spirit as those Isaiah spoke of were…[Read more]