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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    ..if the minds is held captive, so is the will.

    I think through a situationist as I write so you will get the whole picture of all of what I write. In this case I specialize the intellect of a righteous man be subject to sin. I also spoke of the will of the mind vs the will of the body as Paul, and later Freud, described the two as…[Read more]

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    Camillia,

    Within the same storyline I do feel it is in chronological order but there is more than one story line is Revelations.

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    Camillia,

    Chapter 19 of Revelations foretells the destruction of the wicked and it seems to occur just prior to Judgement Day. Armageddon may occur at another time as well as it is specifically mentioned elsewhere in Revelations.

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    Charles,

    When the morning stars sang together

    And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    AS YOU CAN READ THERE IS THE WORD “ALL” WHICH IS ALLOCATED TO THE SONS OF GOD ONLY!

    If the morning stars are not literally the stars that show in the sky of Israel in the morning then they may also be part of the group that is called sons of God. Sons of…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    if our wills were free, why did Jesus come to set the captives free

    He did not come to set our wills free from sin or he would not have said “My Father, if possible, let this cup pass from me! Yet not what I will, but what you will.” and therefore shows he has a will that is not always in accordance with God’s. A will he freely c…[Read more]

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    Camellia,

    The wicked are destroyed at the end of the Messianic Age and before all things are made new.

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    Camellia,

    It is not the good who are taken away initially : It is the wicked.

    I liked your argument but since one premise is based on the words of a parable I am not sure we can go by that order. The parable is more about answering a question than bothering about the order of which a person is taken away. It is a hypothesis that I plan to…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    KERWIN THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WILL THAT “ITSELF” IS FREE, OR EVERYSTHING WOULD JUST BE A CRAP SHOOT,

    What you are defining as free will is not free will because it is not controlled by the person whose will it is. An individual has free will when they are not controlled by outside forces but they must have control the…[Read more]

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    T8,

    I must not have been clear.

    A spiritual body is a body led by the Spirit just like a spiritual nan is a man led by the Spirit.
    A natural body is not led by the Spirit just like a natural man is not led by Spirit.

    The word natural has a Scriptural meaning that is not found in the English dictionary I looked at. According to the Lexicon at…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    I see freewill in the fact we are instructed to do anything by God. If we had no freewill then we would mot have to be instructed to make a choice as that choice would already be made for us.

    I see determinism in the fact that God put the choice in our life to make.

    You did not answer my question as it is what you understand from…[Read more]

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    Wakeup,

    They have precedent going for them as for as the thousand years not being a liter one thousand years but it sounds like they get their 2000 years from the fact it has almost been 2000 years since the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ. I know of no such time in Scripture.

    There was saints that underwent resurrection at…[Read more]

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      Kerwin.

      There were no saints resurrected in a spirit body. They came out of the grave in the same body.
      They were revived, like lazarus was revived.
      Those saints did not go to heaven, but went to the city.

      Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

      wakeup.

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    Wakeup,

    They teach that Christ is ruling as king now for 2000years.(but scripture says only a 1000years). Here2000Y=1000Y.?

    I have no idea why people willfully choose to pick one scripture to take literally and another to take figuratively.

    I do know that a thousand years is as a day with God and a day is as a thousand years.

    So what is…[Read more]

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      This is how they reason.
      They say that Christ is ruling soon after his resurrection.
      They have to match up a 1000years with the 2000years,
      so they say that the 1000years is just symbolic,
      not to take it literally. This kind of reasoning is going on every time they get confronted with a problem.

      wakeup.

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    T8,

    He also existed in the form of man after he emptied himself. Remember he was made a little lower than the angels …, but certainly he is greater than all the angels.

    The writer of Hebrews is quoting a passage of Scripture that is speaking of humanity being created a little lower that the angels. I assume you do not believe it was applied a…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    Please, I would really like what view your understanding falls under.

    You are not making yourself clear on what your believe.

    Try this site for some definitions.

    http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/determinism.html

    Thank you!

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    Wakeup,

    I am not sure what you mean by written in stone. The sum of God’s Law is love your neighbor as yourself and that never changes.

    Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: AND MY GLORY WILL I NOT GIVE IT TO ANOTHER., neither my praise to graven images.

    Maybe trinitarians find a different interpretation than this than I do but that…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    It sounds more like guidelines as used in Romans 8:29 and since the subject of the boundaries is “conformed to the image of His Son” it sounds like he is speaking of the gospel being obeyed by those God knew would be his Son. There are other usages of it that may show determinism but it is not an either determinism or free will.

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    Wakeup,

    When HE spoke to Moses; HE introduced HIM self as I AM THAT I AM.(not a name).

    Since when Moses in these last days as that is when Scripture states the Son spoke to men.

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    Wakeup,

    I have no idea what your point is.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    You cannot make a case for hard determinism from Scripture as that would blame God for our sins. That would put you in the company of the wicked and I am sure you do not want to be there.

    In the past you have posted stuff that makes it appear as if your were more of a soft determinist. Soft determinist believe that both freewill and…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Free Will? 11 years, 11 months ago

    Gene,

    The very word “PREDESTINED” IT SELF IS AN APSOLUTE PROOF that there is NO WILL THAT IS FREE, or how could there be any predestination of any kind exist if a person is predestined for something.

    The Koine Greek means ” pre-establish boundaries” according to biblehub.com so it does not prove anything in that context. The Koine Greek wor…[Read more]

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