T,

wrong the flock (great crowed ) are those being invited ;the church are the that are redeemed from the earth

Are you sure you have that correct?

1 Thessalonians 1:1New English Translation (NET Bible)
Salutation

1 From Paul and Silvanus and Timothy, to the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace and…

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Wakeup,

Bearing in mind that we are the invited guests.

That would be as individuals.

In both cases it is symbolism.

Wakeup,

2 Corinthians 11:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Who is this written to?

I would say to “the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia” just as…[Read more]

Gene,

Men do evil because they are posed with evil, they do good by the same possession, their wills are not free themselves to freely make choices, they only make choices by the spirits working IN them

So you agree that human beings make choices. A hard determinist does not.

You believe Free will is a synonym of self control with the…[Read more]

To whomever it is concerned,

Have you considered the bride of Christ is the collective known as the people of God.

LU.

I see no reason to brag about being in company with the early church fathers even if it was true as from what I have they were a bunch of heretics.

If it was true your brag that your doctrine is in line with Scripture would be a better one.

According to Scripture there is only one true God and he cannot not be tempted by evil. According…[Read more]

Gene,

You are saying a lot of words to answer a simple argument.

If you believe that each of us has no more ability to choose between one path and another then why bother trying to convince any one of us to choose one path over another.

T8 is accusing you of saying with your words and yet another with your actions.

Gene,

Sin has it’s short term rewards. The cost outweighs them but we like Eve discount those costs for one reason or another. That is all part of the snare.

We chose to sin for much the same reason as an addict chooses to start taking the drug of their choice and like the addict we find it a trap. In short we turn away from God and God…[Read more]

T8,

Gene has flip flopped on the issue as he is not clear what free will means. He has been more of a soft determinist in the past. Now for some reason he is being a hard determinist in he seems to believe we only have an illusion but are truly puppets under the control of either Satan or God, That is strange since previously he has not…[Read more]

Ed,

It can’t; why, do you believe that one can capture and take captive another’s will?

The words “snare of the devil” in 2 Timothy 2:23-26.

sonofGod,

The heavens in Genesis 1:1 are the place angels dwell as the firmament aka heavens was not created yet. There may have been space but I am not sure of that either as it is not specifically mentioned and could be included in the word firmament.

Wakeup,

For he is cast out of heaven(banned), after the resurrection of Jesus.Rev.12.

I can see where you can get that from the verses I quoted but there is more that seems to contradict that idea.

Jesus testifies he saw Satan fall from heaven before Jesus sacrificed himself for us.

Gene,

.your post does not deal with the issue of my post, how can a person will repentence if God give it, and how can a person be taken “CAPTIVE” BY THE WILL OF ANOTHER IF HIS WILL is truly “free”,

I answered what I thought you meant.

2 Timothy AV of the KJV

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;…

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Gene,

I cannot be a captive of that which I choose to do. I am a servant but not a slave.

But foolish and unlearned questions avoid

This is only necessary if the person has a choice or if it is the string that controls the person. So it seems you believe God is using Paul to control the actions of those that hear Paul’s words. That is…[Read more]

Journey,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Place is a vague word which leads to their being more than one interpretation of what this phrase means. It is my understanding that Satan lost his station in heaven as did his host. I believe he still goes before God and petitions hims much as he…[Read more]

Journey,

Kerwin, that is speaking of the earth. The spiritual wickedness in high places is HAPPENING ON THE EARTH.

The Koine Greek word means heavens so I assume you mean skies.

It is a form of the same word used in other passages of Ephesians such as:

Ephesians 1:20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

20 which he wrought in Christ,…

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T,

Thank you for letting me know what you have come to understand.

Gene,

By the nature of this world of sin we are captives to our own nature of sin but by the nature of God we are freed if we obey the message of salvation.

By the nature of this world of sin I am at war with myself and only Jesus can set me truly free from that war so that I sin no more.

Wakeup,

No evil can enter heaven.He has no business in heaven anymore.

That is not written in Scripture what is written is there is “spiritual wickedness in high places”, Ephesians 6:12.

T,

How can I be expecting anything when I admit I am not sure about it?

I quoted:

Isaiah 11:9Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain:
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord,
as the waters cover the sea.

and expressed the idea it is speaking about the…[Read more]