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    AndrewAD,

    Too bad the author of St Johns prologue calls Jesus God as does the author of Hebrews,and Paul ends up worshiping Jesus as a god too.And even Matthew puts Jesus on Gods throne at the end.They all throw logic out the window,or just add to the fable. What a confusing pity it all is.

    Where, as I can not find these verses you speak of.

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    DavidL,

    Thank you for writing what you know but have you considered testing the truth of it?

    W-H used the Codex Vaticanus just like the KJV but also used the Codex Sinaiticus which was discovered after the KJV was written. Both use the Alexandria text type.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    When the people cried out that

    GOD HAS VISITED HIS PEOPLE

    some might see this as a strong implication that Jesus is God.

    Of course comparison with the verse that says

    GOD WAS IN CHRIST RECONCILING THE WORLD TO HIMSELF

    gives the true meaning and invalidates the personal and incorrect assumption.

    Nice application of reason!

    I know…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Implications are implications.

    They are personal and not written

    They are no more personal than math as long as both are done righteously. Jesus derived implications from Scripture. The resurrection of the dead is a teaching derived from implication of the OT.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    It is not written that Jesus’ resurrected body is tattered and torn though he had prints of the nails on his wrists.

    It is written that the body that arises is not the one that is planted and yet you disagree.
    It is written that if Jesus was not resurrected as an example of the final resurrection then we are deceived.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    Implied teachings are written though they do prove the faith of those who either believe them or do not.

    I am sticking to what is written which is why I use the word “think” and then point out there is more than one possibility.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    If God says he breathed into the dust and man became a living soul why would you not believe Him?

    I do but I am not certain if there was a non-living soul or no soul before man became a living soul.

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    DavidL,

    Older manuscripts are closer to the source and so have less likelihood that inadvertent errors have crept in or that a biased source has been copied to a later manuscript. More earlier manuscripts, even the originals, would be welcome.

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    DavidL,

    The KJV is a flawed version that arbitrary translates words to what the translators thought was the right one. They translated Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus to the word Hell even though they should have known they were three different ideas.

    The 19th Century of the AV of the KJV was the first standardized KJV while earlier ones varied…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    I am not sure what you mean by the body is not permanent as God created Adam and found him a very good creation. Do you believe his creation of humanity was flawed?

    I am not sure that the soul first begins when the breath of God means the flesh of man but the only other sound and valid possibility is that the soul is preexistence and I am…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    I think it is instead the result of the breath of God mixing with the body of a human.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    Does it have a physical nature?

    The Holy Spirit is a spirit but it is not a soul.

    Human beings have a spirit that is not a soul.

    The breath is called spirit but it is not a soul nor do I think it is the human spirit.

    At death the soul descends to Hades and breath ascends to God while the body rests in its burial place. I think the…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    Does it have a physical nature?

    The Holy Spirit is a spirit but it is not a soul.

    Human being have a spirit that is not a soul.

    The breath is called spirit but it is not a soul nor do I think it is the human spirit.

    At death the soul descends to Hades and breath ascends to God while the body rests in its burial place. I think the…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Nick,

    A soul is a spirit as it is like the wind and so is not physical in nature. That is why Scripture says the disciples thought Jesus was a phantasm in one verse and a spirit in another verse when it means a soul without a body.

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    Nick,

    The bible I read came by way of Trinitarians. The bible has been spread throughout the world.

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    DavidL,

    No, of course not..!!
    Jesus as a man was referring to His Father as the only true God..
    He was not denying His own divinity but affirming the Trueness of God as was done in the OT.

    Interpretation Jesus is not God because he is human and he is God because I say so.

    As long as you choose to believe both that Jesus is not God and is God…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Gene,

    A soul is a spirit but not all spirits are souls. Don’t let words confuse you.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 2 months ago

    Gene,

    A soul is a spirit but not all spirits. Don’t let words confuse you.

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    Gene,

    Spirit comes from a Latin word. It is also irrelevant to the point.

    I already quoted Jewish exorcism practices. It known that in Matthew, Mark, and Luke there are accounts of Jesus performing exorcisms.

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